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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Stein with gene and Chris on the

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power cast we've got a really

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fascinating episode for you later today

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but right now I wanted to talk about

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briefly or maybe not so briefly the

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appearance last week of Barty is six

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killer Clark who is the star people

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expert she's talked to Native Americans

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about a host of experiences and before

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we get into the tales because I think it

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was a very impressive procession we did

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not get a lot of response yeah the

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silence is deafening now in terms of the

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actual downloads that were pretty higher

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download level and the number of unique

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listeners we have every month continues

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to go up which is really good but this

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one didn't have any controversy attached

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to it and that's part of what you see

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and this is true anywhere so for example

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you go on a site like Google or Apple to

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look at how people review software if

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they have a problem they're gonna be up

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there complaining if they don't have a

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problem they don't bother so I'm seeing

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the same thing here in the same

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phenomenon at play probably that most

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people listen to this show and they

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enjoy didn't obviously a lot of people

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downloaded the episode but she didn't

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say anything terribly controversial no

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but she had a fun time she's volunteered

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to be a fill-in guest she said they call

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me any time I really like being on with

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you guys she likes that the conversation

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kind of goes all over the all over the

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spectrum she's not used to that so she

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had a lot of fun well it gives her a

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chance to actually think about things

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because quite often all of these shows

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the questions fall in a specific range

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sometimes the publisher will send you

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talking points with a guest and you can

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bet that George Noory is going to read

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that talking points because they had a

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stinking talking points exactly the

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point being here is that we don't have

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the list of questions I mean it's not

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that we may not make a note let's talk

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about this let's talk about that but the

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question will often follow the answers

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and sometimes we'll just journey into

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different areas and because our

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listeners are putting questions in the

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question bank that takes us to other

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realms that we didn't think about of

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course we won't always get the question

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you want sometimes a little listener

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will say hey you didn't ask this

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question why well we don't read your

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mind I mean Chris maybe does but you

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know you can only cover so many

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questions when we get a that sometimes

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we have 50 60 questions and it's

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virtually impossible to get them all

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asked and oftentimes questions posed or

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answered through conversation with our

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guests and there's no need to ask a

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question because they weren't we've

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already had that conversation so this is

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part of it also is that sometimes people

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ask questions but they're not questions

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they're opinions yeah well those

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generally get ignored yeah in fact what

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we try to do as much as possible is if

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the subject matter in our question Bank

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drifts into opinions we say no start a

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new thread or topic wait to the guest is

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on well I always view lack of response

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you know afterwards on the forums as a

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it like you put it as a sign of people

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enjoying the show and not really needing

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to know usually the negative comments

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are the ones that are posted and you

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know like when we first had our tea on

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and I was kind of accused of badgering

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there a little bit because I was really

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frustrated that there was really no

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dates and times and you know data points

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that were associated with most actually

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of her accounts and and she just kind of

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made a point of saying look that's you

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know that's not what I'm doing I'm

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collecting stories it's kind of like a

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JC Johnson or a Tom dango there's

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there's other folks out there that are

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more interested in the folklore aspect

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of this as opposed to trying to

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establish data points so I look at

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things a little bit more hard-boiled and

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you know I try to you know look at these

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things as

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journalistically and as an amateur

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scientist as best I can

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and to me it's a you know it's it's

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important to document you know the date

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and time and you know the actual

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particulars of the event in such a way

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that it's reliable data for others to

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down the road to use so you know not

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everybody thinks like that so you know I

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just had to you know kind of bite my

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tongue and and accept people's

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approaches for you know for the kinds of

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things that we can ascertain from them

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which to me is diminished by not

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collecting those data points but hey

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it's entertaining stuff Jacy Johnson

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classic example one one of my favorite

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fireside story not that it isn't worth

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trying to put something together about

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them because you know the thing here is

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the way the culture influences these

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accounts of Star people because it

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appears that the cases that happen now

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are more like UFO abductions and what

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that goes to show is how did people

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interpret what we call a UFO abduction

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2,000 years ago and it's interesting to

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see how that changes according to the

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culture so I think there's a lot of

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really good stuff there and I thought

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that was really an important thing to

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talk about a very important thing to

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talk about here because we're trying to

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understand what's happening to people

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and it obviously is not something you

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take literally because if you do how do

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you explain the dichotomy between what

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when they were described as back years

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ago decades centuries ago as to what

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they're described now to be like is it

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just our cultural growth or is it

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because we interpret something we can't

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understand in a way that makes sense to

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us this is why well and here people talk

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about for example these screen memories

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of owls and things that supposedly

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indicate you or abducted

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I think the abduction itself maybe the

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screen memory for something else that we

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don't know about yeah good point because

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it's so if it's so easy to simply

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hypnotize somebody

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and get the memories of their encounter

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if ET really wanted that not to happen

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to keep that stuff hidden they could do

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it you would think I mean that's the

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automatic assumption sure it's like

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Stanton Friedman and using radar to

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disable a flying saucer that the radar

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disabled the flying saucer I made it

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crash into another flying saucer give me

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a break that's low-level stuff yeah

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you know in some of the you know my area

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of I would say we have more advanced

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knowledge about star people as it isn't

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interpreted by Native American cultures

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especially you know my area of

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concentration has been the Pueblo people

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and I was a little surprised that

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already wasn't as up to speed on Cucina

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lore the the three different types of

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Kachinas and the actual over Lourdes

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Kachinas it could almost be described in

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an in sort of a Christian way as being

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angels Archangels and what what each of

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these three different types are

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responsible for and how come they don't

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come here anymore

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according to the public people they they

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stopped coming at the behest of the

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people or the people said look you're

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not returning our folks so you know will

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honor your your influence in our in our

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culture and we'll make sure that you

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always kept alive in our culture but

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we'll do this if you don't come here and

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so there is kind of a this kind of the

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underlying sort of unspoken inference

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that there was a lot more contact in the

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distant past and possibly there's little

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if any contact now so you know I wanted

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to get into those areas with her but

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unfortunately she's really not as up to

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speed on the Pueblo the Pueblo system

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has as one would think she would be tell

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us briefly in 30 seconds about our guest

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today Wow we're so fortunate to get dr.

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Jeffrey Mitchell over here he rarely

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does radio

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and one of the few books that I have

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dragged around since college is his

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seminal work the roots of consciousness

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which is arguably the the go-to

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encyclopedia for anyone interested in

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the study of consciousness in its it's

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gonna be a real treat to have him on the

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show

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I do I do highly highly recommend this

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book it's been a Bible for me since 1975

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when it came out he's since gone on to

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do dive into other areas such as the

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native spirituality ties the

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consciousness and other things we're

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gonna have a great show with him all

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about consciousness coming up with gene

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always like to ask someone about their

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background you've been doing this for a

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long time what led you into this field

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of study I mean when you were a kid and

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your parents said what do you want to be

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when you grow up what did you want to be

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oh as a child I had a very conventional

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upbringing I thought I'd go into

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business my father ran a furniture store

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and I always imagined that I'd probably

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take over that store but by the time I

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got to college my interest widened and I

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began to pursue an interest in in

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religious mysticism and and largely from

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the

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that I would be able to show what sort

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of psychopathologies led people to have

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formed the mistaken belief that they

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were having mystical experiences but by

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the time I completed my research I

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realized that these experiences were

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quite authentic and and that I had to

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change my perspective altogether well

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you know unfortunately I think some

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people look at something and never

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change what was the thing about it that

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said to you that spoke to you and said

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these are real things happening to these

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people and not just something that

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they're imagining or whatever well one

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of the strongest influences was a book

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by the psychologist Abraham Maslow it

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was called toward a psychology of being

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and he you some of the brightest people

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in our society people like Albert

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Einstein and Helen Keller and he

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determined that the great geniuses of

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society pretty much all had mystical

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experiences and that these were very

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positive and inspirational for them that

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reminds me of Rene Descartes on his way

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back from Bohemia he has a young army

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soldier of fortune having a an angel

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come to him in a dream and tell him that

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the you know the secret to to nature is

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measurement and number which gave rise

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to the rational reductionist

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materialistic science so I bet you most

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scientists don't realize that the real

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start of scientific the scientific

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method came as in the form of an angel

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in a dream well is the study of dreams

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is fascinating there are many many

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breakthroughs in science not just

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science but history as well that come

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out of dreams

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and also my life always changed by

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dreams really do tell yes well I went

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into graduate school at Berkeley in

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criminology and I got very frustrated I

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was doing graduate field research at San

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Quentin prison and I made a decision for

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myself that I wanted to switch I enjoy

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studying human deviance but I wanted to

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study positive forms of deviance rather

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than negative I was really interested in

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studying the great mystics creative

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people psychics that rather than

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criminals and people who were mentally

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ill and I discovered to my

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disappointment there were no

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opportunities to do that at the

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University of California you're talking

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Berkeley in the 60s what's wrong in that

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picture there was an enormous interest

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in the community but not in the

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university you can study psychopathology

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all you wanted but they had no programs

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in parapsychology and tuition creativity

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or mysticism none I about this for

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months and months and one day I knew

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with a great certainty that I was going

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to have a dream that night and I'd find

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the answer in the dream I had a very

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powerful dream I was visiting some

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friends across town at Berkeley I got to

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their apartment knocked on the door

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nobody was there and in the dream I knew

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where they kept their key I took the key

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let myself into their apartment and

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there in the middle of the living room

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floor was sitting a magazine called I II

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ye I picked up the magazine and as I was

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paging through it in my dream I woke up

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with this feeling that I had found the

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answer but I had no idea what the answer

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was so I acted out the dream I put on my

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tennis shoes ran across town got to this

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very apartment knocked on the door

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nobody was home just as I had dreamt and

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in fact

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I knew where they kept the key right

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under the doormat so I found it and let

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myself in walked into the living room

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there and the middle of the living room

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floor was a magazine and it was called

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focus and I began paging through it and

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that magazine literally brought focus to

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my life it was the magazine of listener

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sponsored radio and television in the

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San Francisco Bay Area and I made a

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decision at that moment that I would

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pursue my interests by getting involved

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in the media in listener sponsored media

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which was odd because at the time I did

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not own a radio or a TV and in fact I

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was such a long-haired hippie I didn't

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believe in electronic communication back

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then I thought it was all phony baloney

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but I changed my mind

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I went over to KPFA in Berkeley the

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local Pacifica Radio Station and offered

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to volunteer even though I had a

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master's degree at the time they said

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that's good you considered this desk and

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when you hear the doorbell ring you push

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this button right here to let people in

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the front door I was happy to do that

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and within three weeks I had learned

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quite a bit about radio production I

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produced a program about local psychics

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in the Berkeley community and the

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program director came to me and said

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well we have a slot here for a program

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called the minds ear you're supposed to

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interview leading authors in the fields

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of psychology and philosophy and related

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areas and all of a sudden I found myself

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twice a week sitting at a table with

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world-class experts my life had become

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instantly transformed and that gave me

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the confidence to create an individual

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interdisciplinary doctoral major at the

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University of California at Berkeley in

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parapsychology and I completed that

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degree seven years later in 1980 today

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it remains still the only doctoral

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amazing

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dr. Jeffrey Mitchell of power psychology

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Mishlove is joining us on the power cast

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this program and then completing it I'm

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interested in when you actually went to

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this other place this other residence

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if the police come over and they catch

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you for breaking and entering that's the

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first thing that came to my mind

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breaking entering

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you know these were good friends of mine

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and I don't think they would have minded

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but in any case the thought never passed

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through my mind well I want to know you

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know what you think about a precognitive

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dream like that you know how is that

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possible that a person can have a dream

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of something that is yet to happen and

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have the almost to the exact detail this

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come true what what are we looking at

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here how is this possible well there are

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various theories about it for example

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some people say you can't really see the

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future because the future hasn't

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happened yet but what you can see are

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the probabilities of what might happen

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the actual probabilities exist in a kind

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of quantum geometry so that's one point

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if you another point of view is that

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well actually the future has happened

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all time past present and future really

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exists and if we can just step outside

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of what we think is the present moment

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then we can access future realities so

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it's controversial we don't have a good

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theoretical handle on this yet there are

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various experiments that are being done

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and the I would say the weight of those

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experiments is is that what people see

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when they look into the future is the

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ability patterns that exist in the

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present moment so there are ways then to

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possibly change it now when you talk

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about the past the future the present

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and I think now the interest we've had

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in sci-fi over time travel over the

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years it's always a time travel TV show

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we've got to this year frequency and

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timeless people going back through time

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doing things and we get back to that

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paradox if you go back through time and

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you change an event and sneezing in the

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wrong direction could change an event or

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stepping on an insect does that mean

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that what happens then was meant to be

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or you've altered it like the comic book

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flash point from the flash well the

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problem is that you're using examples

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from fiction illustrate your argument

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and we don't know very much about

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whether time travel is possible at all

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but I can tell you this that physicists

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who look at it suggest that one way to

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resolve the paradox of well what if you

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go back in time and kill your parents or

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kill your grandparents so you never even

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existed how can you resolve a paradox

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like that and and one way to resolve it

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would be through what is known as the

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many-worlds interpretation of quantum

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theory where every possible world

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actually exists somewhere so it was like

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and then Barron's it's not as if you

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ceased to exist you just jump into a

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different possibility you know when you

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say that I think why do people differ so

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much on what they remember about their

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lives and is it that we're constantly

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moving in and out of realities and

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therefore we're interacting with other

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people who may not share those

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experiences or superficially share them

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but as a matter of fact they lived in a

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different reality me I like to change my

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reality right now but I don't want to

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get into that well you know we

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we all have a kind of private

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consciousness it's one of the main

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criteria for being a conscious entity

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William James noticed it right away my

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consciousness is based on my unique

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history as a human being and yours is

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based on your unique history and we're

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very different too when I wake up in the

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morning I never have your memories I

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only have my own yeah well one thing

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that probably be mentioned here is there

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has been some very interesting work done

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by Dean Radin who has done some very

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impressive experiments that have sort of

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the end result is that the the actual

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human body responds to events just

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slightly before they happen and he's

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been able to measure some sort of you

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know physical response to stimuli let's

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say just prior to the stimuli occurring

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so there does appear to be some sort of

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precursor type process that that's going

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on maybe you could put that in a little

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better terms for us yeah I'm sure you're

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familiar with this work Raiden's yeah

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it's been replicated maybe in a dozen

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different laboratories now it's known as

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the presentiment effect and and the

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notion is that even before we become

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consciously aware of some stimulus

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perhaps even before the stimulus is

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presented to us our physiology picks up

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on it so they may show people pictures

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that are either frightening or maybe

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sexually stimulating and they're they're

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doing physiological measurements

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galvanic skin response for example and

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what they've been able to demonstrate is

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that even before the stimulus is

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presented and it's presented randomly of

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course the body seems to know it's about

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to happen and there'll be a fear

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response or or a an arousal response

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right before within maybe seconds were

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even fractions of a second before the

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stimulus

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presented so it it certainly suggests

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that the human body itself acts as I

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call it an intuitive antenna light also

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that if we get in touch with this

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process maybe we'd have some of these

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abilities well I think it'd probably be

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very useful if you're a poker player if

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you are trading in the stock market or I

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think only if if yeah if you for

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athletes athletes often talk about

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entering into the zone where they seem

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to know in advance what's about to

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happen and we're great moments of

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athletic performance occur but it could

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it probably could happen in almost any

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profession from police to fire fighters

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you hear quite a bit about it from

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soldiers in the battlefield you know

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well and that's that's just looking at

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yeah yeah that's looking at a person

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that has an unaltered let's say maybe

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obviously endorphins and and chemicals

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in the body or are involved but what

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about the perturbing consciousness with

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psychotropics and that sort of thing do

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we see any indications that that there's

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a heightened level of pre sentience or

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some sort of you know precursor a

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scenario that happens when the when the

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mind is being perturbed by by you know

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let's start with visionary vegetables

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because there's a lot of folklore that

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people who take psychedelic drugs even

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marijuana have enhanced psychic

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capacities but the research that's been

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done doesn't really provide strong

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evidence for that at all there are other

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ways to enhance consciousness through

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auditory stimulation through hypnosis

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through meditation and the

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research does show that by quieting your

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mind you do enhance extrasensory

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perception we've got a lot more to go

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with dr. Jeffrey Mishlove who just

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how about that so much more to come and

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will you have questions from you

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listeners about different aspects we

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want to get into covering that as well

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time with us and showing us different

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things you know when you talk about the

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fact that the human body anticipates

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things before an actual event I almost

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think in terms of animals they're very

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00:41:47,180 --> 00:41:43,710
good at that so of course I'll see our

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dog coming over in anticipation we're

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going to do something a few minutes from

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now and he always gets it right and I

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don't know what kind of signs he's

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picking up because I'm not doing

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anything but he he gets the message

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well we're animals and earthquakes sure

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yes there's a lot of folklore about that

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and there's even been some interesting

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research studies with mice and with

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cockroaches where they put them into

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devices where they'll get electric

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shocks on one half of the device and no

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shock on the other half and they seem to

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00:42:24,740 --> 00:42:21,570
know which side of the device is a safe

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00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:24,750
one to be on even though the shocks are

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00:42:29,690 --> 00:42:27,150
administered at random oh that's

919
00:42:31,780 --> 00:42:29,700
interesting and also the work of Rupert

920
00:42:34,820 --> 00:42:31,790
Sheldrake and the whole idea of

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morphogenetic fields and some of the

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00:42:40,220 --> 00:42:37,680
examples that that he's been able to to

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come up with to show that there seems to

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be an underlying interconnectedness

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between like like animals that say are

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like intelligences or lack of

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intelligences I think that the most

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famous would be the monkeys instantly

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learning in Japan how to wash the sand

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off potatoes correct me if I'm wrong on

931
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this but there's been other studies too

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mice that have never run a particular

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00:43:06,770 --> 00:43:04,200
maze as soon as one figures that out

934
00:43:09,710 --> 00:43:06,780
the rest kind of know how to do the maze

935
00:43:13,940 --> 00:43:09,720
how do we look at that sort of research

936
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:13,950
and and explain that Rupert Sheldrake

937
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:16,650
has developed a theory he calls it the

938
00:43:23,690 --> 00:43:20,400
theory of Morpho genetic fields and he

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00:43:26,770 --> 00:43:23,700
suggests that once let's say a monkey's

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00:43:29,290 --> 00:43:26,780
and one island have learned through

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00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:29,300
happenstance that if they wash the

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00:43:35,780 --> 00:43:32,520
potatoes off they'll taste better then

943
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:35,790
all the sudden monkeys and other islands

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00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:40,770
separated by miles start exhibiting the

945
00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:43,530
same behavior so that's the theory

946
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:46,260
obviously it involves some sort of

947
00:43:51,710 --> 00:43:48,930
paranormal communication and because of

948
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:51,720
that it's very controversial we live in

949
00:43:57,620 --> 00:43:55,200
a materialistic era and in spite of a

950
00:44:00,530 --> 00:43:57,630
hundred and fifty years of empirical

951
00:44:03,740 --> 00:44:00,540
research and psychic phenomenon them in

952
00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:03,750
the mainstream of academia still pretty

953
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:06,150
much ignores it which is one of the

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00:44:12,109 --> 00:44:09,599
reasons why even after 36 years I'm

955
00:44:15,410 --> 00:44:12,119
still the only person who's ever gotten

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00:44:17,540 --> 00:44:15,420
a doctoral diploma in parapsychology I

957
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:17,550
should add however that there are many

958
00:44:22,819 --> 00:44:20,460
good researchers such as Rupert

959
00:44:24,530 --> 00:44:22,829
Sheldrake and Dean Radin who whom you've

960
00:44:26,599 --> 00:44:24,540
mentioned earlier who are doing

961
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:26,609
excellent work in the field they don't

962
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:29,359
need to have a doctoral diploma in

963
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:32,970
parapsychology to do that you know it's

964
00:44:39,740 --> 00:44:34,740
very interesting here you're the only

965
00:44:44,089 --> 00:44:39,750
one who got this degree has anyone other

966
00:44:47,210 --> 00:44:44,099
than you tried well yes let me put it

967
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:47,220
this way there are probably about 200

968
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:49,730
people in the world who have done

969
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:52,290
doctoral dissertations on

970
00:44:57,710 --> 00:44:55,410
parapsychological topics what makes me

971
00:45:00,170 --> 00:44:57,720
unique is that I actually created an

972
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:00,180
individual interdisciplinary program

973
00:45:07,609 --> 00:45:04,050
that was named parapsychology and I have

974
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:07,619
a unique perspective because I attempted

975
00:45:14,809 --> 00:45:10,260
to integrate a lot of ancient philosophy

976
00:45:16,359 --> 00:45:14,819
and contemporary folklore in into the

977
00:45:18,009 --> 00:45:16,369
field I tried to

978
00:45:22,210 --> 00:45:18,019
stablish the field is one that's been

979
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:22,220
around for centuries but people like

980
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:25,249
Dean Radin Charlie Rupert Sheldrake

981
00:45:32,099 --> 00:45:26,450
they've gotten their degrees in

982
00:45:35,499 --> 00:45:32,109
psychology or physics or philosophy and

983
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:35,509
they're doing perfectly legitimate work

984
00:45:45,819 --> 00:45:43,490
in the field Chris it's it's really

985
00:45:48,130 --> 00:45:45,829
difficult to bang up against the

986
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:48,140
entrenched good old boy network in the

987
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:50,930
scientific community especially subjects

988
00:45:56,859 --> 00:45:52,400
like UFOs

989
00:46:00,099 --> 00:45:56,869
any sort of paranormal subjects it's

990
00:46:01,690 --> 00:46:00,109
just it's just a kiss of death and it's

991
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:01,700
a kiss of death in the scientific and

992
00:46:06,430 --> 00:46:04,640
academic communities do you see any hope

993
00:46:09,609 --> 00:46:06,440
for this ever changing do you see any

994
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,619
movement towards more openness within

995
00:46:14,910 --> 00:46:11,359
these communities towards you subjects

996
00:46:17,950 --> 00:46:14,920
well I'm very optimistic that eventually

997
00:46:20,890 --> 00:46:17,960
there will be and in fact if you read

998
00:46:24,210 --> 00:46:20,900
the scientific journals carefully you'll

999
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:24,220
see that in many non parapsychological

1000
00:46:34,170 --> 00:46:27,650
journals there are research reports

1001
00:46:40,109 --> 00:46:37,620
unintentional way and address the

1002
00:46:43,420 --> 00:46:40,119
possibilities of psychic functioning

1003
00:46:48,549 --> 00:46:43,430
particularly research in physics but

1004
00:46:50,499 --> 00:46:48,559
also in biology and in psychology so one

1005
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:50,509
of the reasons that I've set up the new

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00:46:56,319 --> 00:46:53,630
thinking aloud video channel that that

1007
00:46:59,559 --> 00:46:56,329
I've been hosting interviews on for the

1008
00:47:02,229 --> 00:46:59,569
last 15 months is to leave a legacy so

1009
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,239
that eventually when universities and

1010
00:47:08,620 --> 00:47:05,200
colleges offer degree programs in

1011
00:47:11,710 --> 00:47:08,630
parapsychology there will be a body of

1012
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:11,720
material there and people will be able

1013
00:47:20,259 --> 00:47:15,609
to experience firsthand the work of

1014
00:47:26,210 --> 00:47:20,269
researchers who may no longer be alive

1015
00:47:32,359 --> 00:47:28,460
yeah we're not holding our breath you

1016
00:47:33,890 --> 00:47:32,369
should probably I think we're gonna have

1017
00:47:35,300 --> 00:47:33,900
to lose the old generation of good old

1018
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:35,310
boys before it before that happens

1019
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:37,560
although you know we think well on our

1020
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:42,240
way you know your book I must say the

1021
00:47:46,820 --> 00:47:44,880
roots of consciousness has been a bit of

1022
00:47:48,770 --> 00:47:46,830
a Bible for me ever since college it's

1023
00:47:50,230 --> 00:47:48,780
one of the few books that survived all

1024
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:50,240
my moves

1025
00:47:56,240 --> 00:47:53,490
since then it's all dogged and you know

1026
00:47:58,609 --> 00:47:56,250
pages are falling out but I still have

1027
00:48:00,260 --> 00:47:58,619
my original copy of this book which it

1028
00:48:03,290 --> 00:48:00,270
should I think in and it's still

1029
00:48:07,010 --> 00:48:03,300
considered an encyclopedia and the study

1030
00:48:09,770 --> 00:48:07,020
of consciousness a lot of your work as

1031
00:48:12,620 --> 00:48:09,780
you mentioned prior is looking at

1032
00:48:16,099 --> 00:48:12,630
ancient cultures and and the connecting

1033
00:48:19,130 --> 00:48:16,109
points between some of the spiritual

1034
00:48:24,130 --> 00:48:19,140
traditions and and how how consciousness

1035
00:48:26,950 --> 00:48:24,140
plays a part in in in some very very

1036
00:48:30,980 --> 00:48:26,960
sophisticated and long-established

1037
00:48:33,740 --> 00:48:30,990
systems of belief what do you think of

1038
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:33,750
this whole new sort of fascination with

1039
00:48:38,540 --> 00:48:37,170
ancient aliens and I mean we're talking

1040
00:48:40,550 --> 00:48:38,550
about a show that should have maybe

1041
00:48:42,589 --> 00:48:40,560
lasted two or three seasons and and

1042
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:42,599
they've been able to milk the cow going

1043
00:48:47,900 --> 00:48:46,560
into their ninth year the what do you

1044
00:48:51,050 --> 00:48:47,910
think about this do you think that this

1045
00:48:54,380 --> 00:48:51,060
is something that that you anticipated

1046
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:54,390
or and in how you look at this kind of

1047
00:49:03,410 --> 00:48:57,930
pop cultural view of this whole

1048
00:49:05,089 --> 00:49:03,420
potential subject area yeah I think that

1049
00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:05,099
some of the writers who are promoting

1050
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:08,040
the ancient alien idea are stretching

1051
00:49:13,339 --> 00:49:10,890
the evidence quite a lot many of the

1052
00:49:17,089 --> 00:49:13,349
things that von Daniken writes about for

1053
00:49:20,650 --> 00:49:17,099
example don't hold up however the notion

1054
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:20,660
that we may have been visited long ago

1055
00:49:29,420 --> 00:49:26,400
by aliens either from other planetary

1056
00:49:32,839 --> 00:49:29,430
systems or perhaps other dimensions of

1057
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:32,849
time and space is plausible and deserves

1058
00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:36,089
our attention who were these ancient

1059
00:49:41,359 --> 00:49:38,220
gods that seemed to have had

1060
00:49:45,500 --> 00:49:41,369
so much influence in the formation of

1061
00:49:47,540 --> 00:49:45,510
the belief systems of humanity several

1062
00:49:49,609 --> 00:49:47,550
thousand years ago now when you

1063
00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:49,619
mentioned von Daniken's claims not

1064
00:49:55,580 --> 00:49:53,400
holding up because he latches on to a

1065
00:49:57,620 --> 00:49:55,590
lot of stuff that other people who are

1066
00:50:00,170 --> 00:49:57,630
interested in ancient astronauts have

1067
00:50:03,020 --> 00:50:00,180
talked about indeed I think too many

1068
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:03,030
members of the power caste audience they

1069
00:50:08,390 --> 00:50:06,330
know that Erich von Daniken was far far

1070
00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:08,400
from the first person to be talking

1071
00:50:13,790 --> 00:50:10,920
about ancient astronauts you can go back

1072
00:50:16,730 --> 00:50:13,800
in the early 1950s and Desmond Leslie

1073
00:50:19,550 --> 00:50:16,740
who wrote that other section of George

1074
00:50:21,050 --> 00:50:19,560
Adamski's flying saucers have landed you

1075
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:21,060
could certainly talk about that

1076
00:50:26,270 --> 00:50:24,330
interesting character Jana Fortner who

1077
00:50:28,730 --> 00:50:26,280
wrote for Jim Mosely saucer news and

1078
00:50:32,270 --> 00:50:28,740
also of course you could talk about

1079
00:50:35,060 --> 00:50:32,280
Brinsley Lepore trench a British UFO

1080
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:35,070
writer who wrote a book about the sky

1081
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:38,490
people among other works that covered

1082
00:50:44,210 --> 00:50:41,130
ancient astronauts so what respect do

1083
00:50:46,010 --> 00:50:44,220
you think that maybe his stuff doesn't

1084
00:50:47,390 --> 00:50:46,020
make it for you and we have to break in

1085
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:47,400
about a minute so let's at least start

1086
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:51,420
the answer in now Josh well we could go

1087
00:50:57,380 --> 00:50:54,420
over a detail by detail and not a great

1088
00:51:00,460 --> 00:50:57,390
expert I have a lot of skepticism about

1089
00:51:03,650 --> 00:51:00,470
the network of underground caves

1090
00:51:06,859 --> 00:51:03,660
extending for thousands of miles and I

1091
00:51:10,099 --> 00:51:06,869
don't think that holds up for is one

1092
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:10,109
example I think maybe the simplest way

1093
00:51:16,220 --> 00:51:13,530
is to say that probably 50% of

1094
00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:16,230
everything von Daniken writes about is

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00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:18,480
is inaccurate and we don't always know

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00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:22,440
which 50% it is well that certainly

1097
00:51:27,349 --> 00:51:25,260
really doesn't help does it oh well I'm

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00:51:29,180 --> 00:51:27,359
gonna ask you when we get back after the

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break to maybe tell us if we're looking

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for information about that possibility

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is there a go-to person and/or book to

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consider dr. Jeffrey Mishlove is here

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00:51:49,610 --> 00:51:40,560
with Jean and Chris you're in the para

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turn out to be true and thrust him into

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[Applause]

1163
00:54:13,990 --> 00:54:09,660
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1164
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standard of paranormal radio and now

1165
00:54:25,009 --> 00:54:22,289
here's Jane Steinberg so the question on

1166
00:54:27,499 --> 00:54:25,019
the table Jeff is there a go-to book or

1167
00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:27,509
books that we should look for with

1168
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:30,329
regard to ancient astronauts I highly

1169
00:54:35,660 --> 00:54:33,000
recommend the work of Jacques Vallee who

1170
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:35,670
is a an astronomer and computer

1171
00:54:40,990 --> 00:54:38,210
scientist who wrote many many books

1172
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:41,000
including passport Touma Gonia

1173
00:54:47,420 --> 00:54:43,890
including the invisible college I think

1174
00:54:51,289 --> 00:54:47,430
he has the most accurate honest and

1175
00:54:52,940 --> 00:54:51,299
realistic handle on UFO phenomenon right

1176
00:54:54,620 --> 00:54:52,950
and he's almost a neighbor of yours you

1177
00:54:57,039 --> 00:54:54,630
probably know him fairly well I would

1178
00:55:01,099 --> 00:54:57,049
imagine well I've known Jacque since the

1179
00:55:02,809 --> 00:55:01,109
1970s yes yeah the power cast a couple

1180
00:55:04,279 --> 00:55:02,819
of times we've had him on the show a

1181
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:04,289
couple of times and I'd finally got a

1182
00:55:08,900 --> 00:55:06,410
chance to meet my hero at the

1183
00:55:11,539 --> 00:55:08,910
International UFO Congress last year and

1184
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:11,549
man that was I'm not a fanboy by any

1185
00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:13,890
stretch of the imagination but I felt

1186
00:55:19,579 --> 00:55:16,500
like a giggling teenager when I saw him

1187
00:55:21,740 --> 00:55:19,589
walking you're talking to a real big

1188
00:55:23,930 --> 00:55:21,750
jock fillet fan one of the other books

1189
00:55:26,180 --> 00:55:23,940
that has made all my moves with me is

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00:55:28,339 --> 00:55:26,190
password - magana and all the other

1191
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:28,349
ballet in kiel books actually that I

1192
00:55:33,140 --> 00:55:30,930
have so you're not a fanboy but should I

1193
00:55:35,329 --> 00:55:33,150
reveal what you asked me about the fact

1194
00:55:37,819 --> 00:55:35,339
that a very well-known figure in the

1195
00:55:40,730 --> 00:55:37,829
consumer audio field is repairing your

1196
00:55:44,539 --> 00:55:40,740
receiver and you made a request of what

1197
00:55:46,460 --> 00:55:44,549
he should do yeah I have a good Carver

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00:55:49,099 --> 00:55:46,470
receiver which is probably the finest

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integrated stereo amp receiver ever made

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and I sent it to Bob Geno's Bob Carver

1201
00:55:59,839 --> 00:55:54,329
and he sent it off to him and asked gene

1202
00:56:02,329 --> 00:55:59,849
to ask him to autograph it for well I

1203
00:56:04,579 --> 00:56:02,339
pick and choose my you know the people

1204
00:56:06,259 --> 00:56:04,589
that I'm real fans of very carefully and

1205
00:56:09,019 --> 00:56:06,269
Jeffrey you're one of a man I just love

1206
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:09,029
I find myself you know fairly often

1207
00:56:13,099 --> 00:56:10,980
going back and you know when I'm in a

1208
00:56:15,650 --> 00:56:13,109
particular part of a research process

1209
00:56:18,089 --> 00:56:15,660
I'll invariably be opening up your your

1210
00:56:21,299 --> 00:56:18,099
wonderful encyclopedia and and get

1211
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:21,309
some inspiration from it I know being

1212
00:56:28,829 --> 00:56:25,450
there in the in this area that of course

1213
00:56:29,309 --> 00:56:28,839
you're close to Stanford well I've a

1214
00:56:32,999 --> 00:56:29,319
Koosh

1215
00:56:35,069 --> 00:56:33,009
here in Las Vegas okay I lived in San

1216
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:35,079
Francisco for thirty years but I've been

1217
00:56:43,259 --> 00:56:40,089
in Las Vegas for the last 15 lorenz

1218
00:56:44,910 --> 00:56:43,269
right I mean I had a friend of mine who

1219
00:56:47,009 --> 00:56:44,920
lived in the Bay Area and he was just a

1220
00:56:49,799 --> 00:56:47,019
writer you couldn't get anything for

1221
00:56:53,539 --> 00:56:49,809
less than 2,500 for $3,000 he was going

1222
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:53,549
crazy you spent many years there and

1223
00:56:59,009 --> 00:56:55,930
SSRIs Stanford Research Institute is

1224
00:57:01,109 --> 00:56:59,019
under help put off in Russell Targ with

1225
00:57:03,900 --> 00:57:01,119
the remote viewing work that was done in

1226
00:57:06,150 --> 00:57:03,910
the 70s and into the 80s a sandanista

1227
00:57:08,609 --> 00:57:06,160
one of our longtime posters at forum dr.

1228
00:57:10,890 --> 00:57:08,619
Peric ascom where you can go ahead and

1229
00:57:13,289 --> 00:57:10,900
post your questions for our guests he's

1230
00:57:16,859 --> 00:57:13,299
wondering have you been involved at all

1231
00:57:20,579 --> 00:57:16,869
in the in any sort of experiments or

1232
00:57:22,289 --> 00:57:20,589
work regarding remote viewing and what

1233
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:22,299
do you think about its efficacy do you

1234
00:57:26,039 --> 00:57:23,440
think it's something that's that's

1235
00:57:28,380 --> 00:57:26,049
viable and and you know what are your

1236
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:28,390
thoughts on that subject absolutely I

1237
00:57:36,900 --> 00:57:31,690
did my first remote viewing experiment

1238
00:57:39,390 --> 00:57:36,910
in 1976 at SLI International and

1239
00:57:42,660 --> 00:57:39,400
interestingly enough I mentioned my new

1240
00:57:45,870 --> 00:57:42,670
video series new thinking aloud about a

1241
00:57:48,959 --> 00:57:45,880
year ago I interviewed dr. Elizabeth

1242
00:57:53,849 --> 00:57:48,969
arouser who was the experimenter in that

1243
00:57:55,769 --> 00:57:53,859
particular series and he remembered the

1244
00:57:57,779 --> 00:57:55,779
whole thing quite vividly because I had

1245
00:58:01,950 --> 00:57:57,789
a beautiful hitch he still talks about

1246
00:58:04,650 --> 00:58:01,960
it in her lectures today now we have the

1247
00:58:06,209 --> 00:58:04,660
International remote viewing Association

1248
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:06,219
and there are hundreds and hundreds of

1249
00:58:11,130 --> 00:58:08,799
people teaching themselves how to do

1250
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:11,140
remote viewing and how to apply it

1251
00:58:17,309 --> 00:58:15,609
for useful purposes well that's I think

1252
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:17,319
that would be one in the armor of

1253
00:58:23,579 --> 00:58:19,890
you know you're kind of conservative

1254
00:58:26,109 --> 00:58:23,589
academia and scientific communities you

1255
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:26,119
don't really hear

1256
00:58:31,509 --> 00:58:28,609
them supporting any sort of positive

1257
00:58:35,190 --> 00:58:31,519
results in this in this particular field

1258
00:58:37,359 --> 00:58:35,200
that has proven to be uncannily accurate

1259
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:37,369
some people like Pat price of course

1260
00:58:43,930 --> 00:58:40,970
back Ingo Swann and others who obviously

1261
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:43,940
had sort of I think above-average talent

1262
00:58:49,779 --> 00:58:47,930
in this regard had some amazing hits if

1263
00:58:51,789 --> 00:58:49,789
you go through the literature but but

1264
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,799
one thing that I think should be

1265
00:58:56,289 --> 00:58:53,599
stressed and I think you would agree

1266
00:58:59,710 --> 00:58:56,299
that we all have that ability if we

1267
00:59:02,680 --> 00:58:59,720
allow ourselves to to follow certain

1268
00:59:05,529 --> 00:59:02,690
protocols and and do the kind of inner

1269
00:59:09,789 --> 00:59:05,539
work that's needed to so be open enough

1270
00:59:11,470 --> 00:59:09,799
to be receptive for it is this something

1271
00:59:13,989 --> 00:59:11,480
in am I making an accurate statement

1272
00:59:16,359 --> 00:59:13,999
here do you think most people have the

1273
00:59:19,299 --> 00:59:16,369
ability to remove you well there are

1274
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,309
many many examples of people who didn't

1275
00:59:25,059 --> 00:59:21,200
think that they had any psychic

1276
00:59:26,890 --> 00:59:25,069
abilities whatsoever who attempted to do

1277
00:59:29,079 --> 00:59:26,900
remote viewing and found that they were

1278
00:59:32,650 --> 00:59:29,089
very good at it right from the very

1279
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:32,660
beginning so it seems to be a latent

1280
00:59:37,269 --> 00:59:35,569
Talent but I think it's like all human

1281
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:37,279
talents there's sort of a bell curve

1282
00:59:44,200 --> 00:59:40,400
some people have it to much greater

1283
00:59:46,029 --> 00:59:44,210
degree than other people the thing I

1284
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:46,039
always wonder about remote viewing and

1285
00:59:50,049 --> 00:59:48,049
we've done shows on it we even did a

1286
00:59:53,289 --> 00:59:50,059
test at one time that was reasonably

1287
00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:53,299
successful is the level of accuracy and

1288
01:00:00,970 --> 00:59:58,130
dependability it's difficult to do I did

1289
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:00,980
a series of ten interviews with Ed May

1290
01:00:06,249 --> 01:00:02,890
who was the head of research for the

1291
01:00:10,140 --> 01:00:06,259
secret US government program Stargate

1292
01:00:14,589 --> 01:00:10,150
that went on for 20 years from about

1293
01:00:17,170 --> 01:00:14,599
1976 to 1996 and the one of the points

1294
01:00:20,170 --> 01:00:17,180
he wanted to emphasize is that in spite

1295
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:20,180
of the many brilliant success stories

1296
01:00:26,829 --> 01:00:23,089
you hear about overall it's it's very

1297
01:00:30,450 --> 01:00:26,839
difficult work and you can't expect

1298
01:00:33,460 --> 01:00:30,460
dramatic successes all the time they

1299
01:00:35,710 --> 01:00:33,470
periodically but they do not occur

1300
01:00:37,870 --> 01:00:35,720
regularly yeah I don't

1301
01:00:39,460 --> 01:00:37,880
rather it's it's almost like a 50/50

1302
01:00:42,540 --> 01:00:39,470
thing with people that are well trained

1303
01:00:46,300 --> 01:00:42,550
and and they show you know above-average

1304
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:46,310
abilities that it's not as reliable as

1305
01:00:49,330 --> 01:00:47,570
you would need let's say for an

1306
01:00:51,490 --> 01:00:49,340
intelligence for intelligence

1307
01:00:53,710 --> 01:00:51,500
information to act upon that sort of

1308
01:00:57,550 --> 01:00:53,720
thing well there have been some real

1309
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:57,560
intelligence successes I'll give you a

1310
01:01:03,820 --> 01:01:01,040
good baseline my friend Marty Rosenblatt

1311
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:03,830
runs an organization of remote viewers

1312
01:01:09,790 --> 01:01:07,010
it's called the applied parasite the

1313
01:01:11,500 --> 01:01:09,800
applied precognition project he'd be a

1314
01:01:13,870 --> 01:01:11,510
great guest for you if you haven't

1315
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:13,880
interviewed him yet

1316
01:01:19,810 --> 01:01:16,310
okay he's been going as you probably

1317
01:01:24,030 --> 01:01:19,820
know then for about ten years and during

1318
01:01:28,060 --> 01:01:24,040
that time over thousands of trials his

1319
01:01:31,690 --> 01:01:28,070
remote viewers have approximately a 60%

1320
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:31,700
hit rate on targets where by chance

1321
01:01:38,670 --> 01:01:36,050
alone it would be 50% so that's been

1322
01:01:41,859 --> 01:01:38,680
successful enough for them to make money

1323
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:41,869
doing things like investing in stocks

1324
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:44,810
and futures and made placing wagers on

1325
01:01:49,930 --> 01:01:47,330
athletic keep it may be Sean David

1326
01:01:53,170 --> 01:01:49,940
Morton should take the class and improve

1327
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:53,180
his his rate and not lose 3 million

1328
01:02:05,579 --> 01:01:55,730
dollars of its clients money it's he in

1329
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:05,589
jail now or has he just been fined so

1330
01:02:16,890 --> 01:02:09,290
much more about his latest activities

1331
01:02:23,650 --> 01:02:22,030
again well we do have some questions so

1332
01:02:25,990 --> 01:02:23,660
some very basic questions about the

1333
01:02:29,140 --> 01:02:26,000
whole subject of human consciousness and

1334
01:02:31,390 --> 01:02:29,150
of course it's quite controversial we

1335
01:02:33,970 --> 01:02:31,400
have yet to really I think correct me if

1336
01:02:39,910 --> 01:02:33,980
I'm wrong but come up with a real hard

1337
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:39,920
fast solid definition or show the

1338
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:41,450
operative principles that that really

1339
01:02:46,690 --> 01:02:43,520
kind of allow for human consciousness

1340
01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:46,700
the very fact that I can you know pick

1341
01:02:52,390 --> 01:02:49,280
up a pencil is like a

1342
01:02:53,890 --> 01:02:52,400
kay event really that there is much

1343
01:02:56,980 --> 01:02:53,900
controversy in this field how do you

1344
01:02:59,800 --> 01:02:56,990
define first of all human consciousness

1345
01:03:02,340 --> 01:02:59,810
or what would your definition be well I

1346
01:03:06,340 --> 01:03:02,350
think it's just simply being aware

1347
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:06,350
having experience so I think therefore I

1348
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:09,890
am yeah one might say that philosophers

1349
01:03:15,820 --> 01:03:12,890
use the term qualia which might be like

1350
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:15,830
the experience of the color blue having

1351
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:19,210
a subjective life having inner

1352
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:22,850
experiences well I've got a question

1353
01:03:27,910 --> 01:03:24,650
here from William Strassmann again who's

1354
01:03:30,010 --> 01:03:27,920
a poster at forum dr. Peric ascom you

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the para cast our guests dr. Jeffrey

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mish lab was asked a question of one of

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our listeners who posted and formed off

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the para cast calm in the question Bank

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Jeff you're a response okay he asked

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about the hard problem and the hard

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problem is usually couched this way how

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is it possible for a physical system

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like the brain that is made out of atoms

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and molecules and neurons none of which

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are conscious how does consciousness

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occur and there are several potential

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answers to that question one of them is

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that consciousness sort of is very basic

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that matter is conscious even down to

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the subatomic particles they have a

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measure of consciousness so that the

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assumption that physical matter has no

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consciousness and then somehow it

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magically appears is a flawed assumption

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that the consciousness is already there

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another way to interpret it is that

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there is what's called dualism that

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there's the world of matter which is not

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conscious but that there's another world

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a world of spirit and we're all

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conscious because we participate in one

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might say the mind of God or the larger

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consciousness and that our brains don't

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generate consciousness but they act like

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radio antennas or radio were receivers

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receiving consciousness from this other

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realm and then the conventional

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scientific answer is it's called

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promissory materialism or promissory

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materialism which is someday we'll

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figure the problem out we know the brain

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is the source and generator of

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consciousness and just give us

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enough time and eventually we'll put all

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the pieces together and it might have

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something to do with feedback loops in

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the brain so when a child is born is

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that child tap into a specific element

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of consciousness and that becomes part

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of its being well they're different

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theories I you know I have to tell you I

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don't have a final answer to all of this

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I guess opposed we have to take into

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account if you talk about when the child

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is born the prospect of reincarnation

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that that child already has a very long

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history as a conscious being and may

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have been in other bodies the the idea

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of a soul that travels from body to body

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to body in the course of many lifetimes

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sort of akin to the way a snake keeps

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shedding its skin and forming a new skin

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it's perfectly reasonable hypothesis and

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there's quite a bit of evidence to

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suggest that that's how our

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consciousness works for instance we just

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recently had an example of a child that

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was born that was able to in a in just

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an incredible fashion described very

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very specific details from a past life

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which no were able to be ascertained to

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be true so you're saying that there is

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enough evidence to at least legitimize

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some real official scientific or

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academic study of this instead of having

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be just poo pooed by by the mainstream

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well at the University of Virginia the

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division of perceptual studies I think

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it's part of their School of Medicine

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there and they have been studying

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reincarnation cases now for many decades

1537
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they have a database of over 2,500 cases

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of young children who as soon as they

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can begin to speak start describing past

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lifetimes and in roughly half of those

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01:12:13,330 --> 01:12:11,060
cases they were able to go back and do

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the research and document that the

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descriptions of the children were

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accurate Wow here in the sedona area it

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seems like anybody you meet that's been

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reincarnated was always either caesar

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the Akhenaten Nefertiti you rarely get

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somebody in Sedonas as I am a

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reincarnated stable boy from medieval

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England or something it's got to be some

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exalted I've actually met - we

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incarnated Nefertiti's there was a

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psychologist named Helen Wambach now

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01:12:51,900 --> 01:12:48,530
deceased who wrote a book about past

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01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:51,910
life regression therapy and she

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collected all hundreds maybe thousands

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01:13:01,660 --> 01:12:57,850
of cases of people who under hypnosis

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01:13:04,860 --> 01:13:01,670
remembered past lives and she correlated

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the socioeconomic status of the people

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being described with the demographic

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statistics that we have from different

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periods in human cultural history and

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01:13:19,090 --> 01:13:16,970
she found that contrary to your example

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there in Sedona which might be an

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unusual case by and large the

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descriptions did in fact match the

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actual demographic statistics that there

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were more peasants than there were

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royalty and so on well I was kind of

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01:13:40,450 --> 01:13:37,040
being a little bit facetious there that

1571
01:13:42,490 --> 01:13:40,460
was kind of dry humor but I did I have

1572
01:13:45,700 --> 01:13:42,500
met two reincarnated Nefertiti's that

1573
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:45,710
that I will say well you know it's also

1574
01:13:52,750 --> 01:13:49,370
possible that a person might have an

1575
01:13:57,310 --> 01:13:52,760
inkling that they were part of the

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01:13:59,380 --> 01:13:57,320
retina or entourage a well-known person

1577
01:14:02,230 --> 01:13:59,390
and in their own memory they may be

1578
01:14:05,590 --> 01:14:02,240
confusing it right right yeah projecting

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01:14:07,570 --> 01:14:05,600
onto that person that they were serving

1580
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:07,580
to let's say here's another question

1581
01:14:12,190 --> 01:14:09,770
this is from ufology randall up in

1582
01:14:15,370 --> 01:14:12,200
calgary alberta a long time poster here

1583
01:14:17,950 --> 01:14:15,380
at the reformed in your opinion it's a

1584
01:14:19,900 --> 01:14:17,960
two-part question in your opinion can

1585
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:19,910
consciousness be both fundamental and

1586
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:22,250
emergent and he's wondering why or why

1587
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:25,760
not well what an interesting question

1588
01:14:34,770 --> 01:14:30,560
you know my first thought was no it's

1589
01:14:38,169 --> 01:14:34,780
got to be one or the other but frankly I

1590
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:38,179
it's far more complex than

1591
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:41,360
we conceive of or maybe even that we can

1592
01:14:49,959 --> 01:14:46,010
conceive of and so the idea that both a

1593
01:14:52,290 --> 01:14:49,969
and not a can exist simultaneously is

1594
01:14:56,439 --> 01:14:52,300
probably a pretty good way to look at it

1595
01:14:58,180 --> 01:14:56,449
is we have to be open to paradoxes he

1596
01:14:59,890 --> 01:14:58,190
was all saying especially you're dealing

1597
01:15:02,020 --> 01:14:59,900
with these subject matters if you're not

1598
01:15:04,570 --> 01:15:02,030
you don't have you don't have a prayer I

1599
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:04,580
think his follow-up question is a real

1600
01:15:08,740 --> 01:15:06,560
good one to in your opinion is

1601
01:15:12,030 --> 01:15:08,750
consciousness a prerequisite for a

1602
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:12,040
worldview in this example is could an AI

1603
01:15:23,709 --> 01:15:15,250
without consciousness how they will do

1604
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:23,719
is is that interesting in theory you

1605
01:15:28,870 --> 01:15:25,850
know it's possible for computers to

1606
01:15:33,160 --> 01:15:28,880
perform very very sophisticated tasks

1607
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:33,170
for example language translation and and

1608
01:15:40,780 --> 01:15:38,330
not me at all conscious so I suppose one

1609
01:15:44,650 --> 01:15:40,790
could say yes maybe they can even form a

1610
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:44,660
worldview you might say a computer has a

1611
01:15:49,630 --> 01:15:46,730
worldview and let's assume for the

1612
01:15:52,930 --> 01:15:49,640
moment computers are not conscious there

1613
01:15:55,450 --> 01:15:52,940
are people who talk about what they call

1614
01:15:58,689 --> 01:15:55,460
a singularity which is the day when

1615
01:16:01,709 --> 01:15:58,699
computers become conscious because at

1616
01:16:05,050 --> 01:16:01,719
that point in time computers will be

1617
01:16:07,689 --> 01:16:05,060
approximately as complex as the human

1618
01:16:10,290 --> 01:16:07,699
brain and then they believe that's when

1619
01:16:13,030 --> 01:16:10,300
consciousness will emerge in computers

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but maybe maybe you don't need to be

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fully conscious to have a worldview well

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yeah that's a good question Randall

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generally comes up with some good ones

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into more consciousness or lack of

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beautiful on Cyclopes in other books

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when you're listening to the podcast

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yes Chris is trying to whisper and that

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whisper was in the nineteenth dimension

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okay that's with the character from the

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comics you have to say his name

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backwards to get rid of him seriously

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speaking here talking about

1746
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consciousness Jeff I guess we go into

1747
01:21:43,310 --> 01:21:38,389
life-and-death all right

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01:21:45,379 --> 01:21:43,320
okay right so when a person dies does

1749
01:21:47,689 --> 01:21:45,389
that mean their consciousness is freed

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01:21:49,399 --> 01:21:47,699
from being tethered to this particular

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01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:49,409
physical being and that it goes

1752
01:21:54,620 --> 01:21:51,840
elsewhere or what well there are

1753
01:21:57,379 --> 01:21:54,630
different perspectives on life after

1754
01:22:01,520 --> 01:21:57,389
death there's some very very

1755
01:22:04,430 --> 01:22:01,530
sophisticated and detailed and complex

1756
01:22:07,100 --> 01:22:04,440
descriptions that go back a hundred and

1757
01:22:10,700 --> 01:22:07,110
fifty years to the work of allan kardec

1758
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:10,710
a french researcher who began

1759
01:22:16,340 --> 01:22:13,650
interviewing mediums and transcribing

1760
01:22:19,160 --> 01:22:16,350
what they had to say and looking at when

1761
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:19,170
different mediums spiritualist mediums

1762
01:22:26,990 --> 01:22:22,050
would agree with each other or or not

1763
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:27,000
and these teachings often are in accord

1764
01:22:32,660 --> 01:22:29,489
with similar teachings from yoga

1765
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:32,670
philosophy and Tibetan Buddhism where

1766
01:22:38,060 --> 01:22:35,489
they describe different realms in the

1767
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,070
afterlife some realms are very close to

1768
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:40,560
the earth plane and living there might

1769
01:22:46,910 --> 01:22:43,130
be almost identical to living on earth

1770
01:22:49,609 --> 01:22:46,920
other realms are such that you no longer

1771
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:49,619
need even an astral body you become a

1772
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:52,530
pure energy being or a pure being of

1773
01:22:58,939 --> 01:22:56,210
light and travel into realms that are

1774
01:23:03,740 --> 01:22:58,949
unintelligible or almost unimaginable

1775
01:23:06,109 --> 01:23:03,750
from our human perspective now the point

1776
01:23:08,780 --> 01:23:06,119
raised here is when a person dies are

1777
01:23:10,490 --> 01:23:08,790
they aware they're going anywhere or do

1778
01:23:13,189 --> 01:23:10,500
they just wake up and they are

1779
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:13,199
accustomed to the new state of affairs

1780
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:15,840
whatever it is well I think it depends a

1781
01:23:21,620 --> 01:23:19,290
lot on the individual you may recall

1782
01:23:24,350 --> 01:23:21,630
when George Harrison when George

1783
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:24,360
Harrison died the Beatle the famous

1784
01:23:29,060 --> 01:23:25,770
Beatle

1785
01:23:32,900 --> 01:23:29,070
he died as I recall almost 20 years ago

1786
01:23:36,830 --> 01:23:32,910
now and at that time it was his goal to

1787
01:23:39,230 --> 01:23:36,840
die consciously he tried very hard to be

1788
01:23:41,770 --> 01:23:39,240
conscious at the moment of his death so

1789
01:23:45,530 --> 01:23:41,780
that he could experience the whole thing

1790
01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:45,540
sort of wide-awake that's a goal of many

1791
01:23:51,770 --> 01:23:47,970
people who are involved in yoga

1792
01:23:54,440 --> 01:23:51,780
practices and meditation for example but

1793
01:23:56,210 --> 01:23:54,450
the average person you know we're gonna

1794
01:23:58,880 --> 01:23:56,220
die in many different ways sometimes

1795
01:24:01,370 --> 01:23:58,890
it's an accidental death and it's very

1796
01:24:05,150 --> 01:24:01,380
sudden and were unprepared for it and

1797
01:24:07,160 --> 01:24:05,160
there are accounts of people who don't

1798
01:24:09,170 --> 01:24:07,170
know that they're dead when that happens

1799
01:24:12,620 --> 01:24:09,180
they find themselves in a very strange

1800
01:24:16,220 --> 01:24:12,630
place and oftentimes they they need to

1801
01:24:18,890 --> 01:24:16,230
be guided to move on to some sort of

1802
01:24:21,350 --> 01:24:18,900
sense of spiritual evolution there are

1803
01:24:24,050 --> 01:24:21,360
other people according to the folklore

1804
01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:24,060
who when they die they they still have

1805
01:24:30,290 --> 01:24:26,490
very strong attachments and habits even

1806
01:24:33,590 --> 01:24:30,300
addictions to alcohol tobacco nicotine

1807
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:33,600
and sex for example so they hang around

1808
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:38,610
the earth plane trying to maybe possess

1809
01:24:43,310 --> 01:24:40,770
other people so that they can experience

1810
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:43,320
the pleasures that they were used to

1811
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:45,360
when they had a body well that's it

1812
01:24:50,840 --> 01:24:47,730
that's a great way to dovetail into a

1813
01:24:54,350 --> 01:24:50,850
whole new series of conversations here

1814
01:24:56,710 --> 01:24:54,360
and that is the whole idea of ghosts and

1815
01:24:59,240 --> 01:24:56,720
haunted sites we're seeing a tremendous

1816
01:25:02,270 --> 01:24:59,250
upswing in the last few years of

1817
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:02,280
interest and in this subject with all

1818
01:25:08,540 --> 01:25:05,970
the many ridiculous actually in my

1819
01:25:11,870 --> 01:25:08,550
interpretation or my opinion negocios

1820
01:25:14,980 --> 01:25:11,880
and ghost hunting shows but what about

1821
01:25:19,370 --> 01:25:14,990
haunted sites what about reoccurring

1822
01:25:22,250 --> 01:25:19,380
who's you know the aspectual images that

1823
01:25:25,220 --> 01:25:22,260
that people report what do we know about

1824
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:25,230
that and is there any way to explain how

1825
01:25:28,130 --> 01:25:26,370
this is possible

1826
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:28,140
other than the explanation that you just

1827
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:31,530
gave how how can they be manifest at one

1828
01:25:37,490 --> 01:25:34,770
moment and then gone the next is it is

1829
01:25:38,690 --> 01:25:37,500
it purely on the receiving end is that

1830
01:25:38,980 --> 01:25:38,700
is that people that are in the right

1831
01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:38,990
place

1832
01:25:42,880 --> 01:25:40,880
at the right time to experience this or

1833
01:25:47,170 --> 01:25:42,890
we dealing with something that's that's

1834
01:25:47,950 --> 01:25:47,180
operating totally autonomously on its

1835
01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:47,960
own schedule

1836
01:25:54,700 --> 01:25:50,690
well the Society for psychical research

1837
01:25:58,600 --> 01:25:54,710
that was founded in 1882 in London began

1838
01:26:01,930 --> 01:25:58,610
to explore these experiences of ghosts

1839
01:26:04,690 --> 01:26:01,940
and apparitions and hauntings they had

1840
01:26:08,500 --> 01:26:04,700
very rigorous methodologies and one of

1841
01:26:10,840 --> 01:26:08,510
the early publications in this area was

1842
01:26:13,630 --> 01:26:10,850
called apparitions of the living in

1843
01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:13,640
which they pointed out that there are

1844
01:26:18,580 --> 01:26:16,130
many many cases where people experience

1845
01:26:21,190 --> 01:26:18,590
ghost-like apparitions but they're not

1846
01:26:23,170 --> 01:26:21,200
of people who are deceased they're of

1847
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:23,180
people who are alive and very often

1848
01:26:29,170 --> 01:26:26,330
those people were attempting to project

1849
01:26:31,540 --> 01:26:29,180
their consciousness to another location

1850
01:26:34,090 --> 01:26:31,550
they might have been asleep having a

1851
01:26:37,330 --> 01:26:34,100
dream about being in another location

1852
01:26:39,190 --> 01:26:37,340
and people saw their apparition or they

1853
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:39,200
may have been attempting to do it

1854
01:26:45,100 --> 01:26:42,050
consciously particularly people engaged

1855
01:26:48,100 --> 01:26:45,110
in yoga practice seem to be able to

1856
01:26:51,730 --> 01:26:48,110
cultivate that ability so there's

1857
01:26:54,160 --> 01:26:51,740
there's a large lore about these

1858
01:26:56,170 --> 01:26:54,170
apparitions sometimes they're seen by

1859
01:26:59,740 --> 01:26:56,180
multiple people at the same time

1860
01:27:01,780 --> 01:26:59,750
sometimes there is seen by one person in

1861
01:27:06,220 --> 01:27:01,790
a room and not by other people who are

1862
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:06,230
in the same room so it like so much in

1863
01:27:11,050 --> 01:27:08,090
the field of parapsychology there are

1864
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:11,060
many paradoxes and controversies but I

1865
01:27:16,140 --> 01:27:12,770
would say one thing that's been

1866
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:16,150
established unequivocally is is that

1867
01:27:20,890 --> 01:27:18,800
apparitions of the living do indeed

1868
01:27:22,330 --> 01:27:20,900
occur that's interesting I've never

1869
01:27:24,970 --> 01:27:22,340
really even thought about that I didn't

1870
01:27:26,740 --> 01:27:24,980
even know there was a you know kind of

1871
01:27:28,660 --> 01:27:26,750
area of Paris I called you that studied

1872
01:27:32,440 --> 01:27:28,670
that that's that's news to me it's very

1873
01:27:33,820 --> 01:27:32,450
interesting I you know having been to

1874
01:27:35,650 --> 01:27:33,830
some of the most haunted sites in North

1875
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:35,660
America dragged along kicking and scream

1876
01:27:40,270 --> 01:27:38,090
and in the beginning I might add I went

1877
01:27:42,430 --> 01:27:40,280
into it very skeptical and thought it

1878
01:27:44,290 --> 01:27:42,440
was actually kind of dumb and you know I

1879
01:27:45,850 --> 01:27:44,300
couldn't believe the owner of the video

1880
01:27:48,220 --> 01:27:45,860
company I was working for was into that

1881
01:27:49,500 --> 01:27:48,230
sort of thing and and having visited

1882
01:27:53,220 --> 01:27:49,510
some very

1883
01:27:54,750 --> 01:27:53,230
as I come to find out very having been

1884
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:54,760
to some of the the more notorious

1885
01:28:00,060 --> 01:27:57,730
haunted sites in North America I did

1886
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walk away from those experiences with a

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newfound respect for for this subject an

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example would be the manteno state

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asylum which is where we first it was

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the first of the super hospitals where

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we developed Thorazine the first did

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lobotomies electroshock therapy you know

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behind the therapy techniques I think we

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were introduced from that facility I

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have never felt well only other one

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other time have I felt the the level of

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unease in that particular facility it

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was almost like condensed ghost soup

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they had demolished eleven hundred and

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some-odd buildings and only a number of

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them were laughed at and it really did

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feel like all the hangers-on spirit

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entities we're all compressed into one

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space it was very very disconcerting

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are there any haunted sites that you're

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aware of that you feel or have real

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legitimate evidence to support claims of

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hauntings well one of the area's that's

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particularly interesting to

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parapsychologists and psychical

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researchers are poltergeist cases which

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are quite similar to hauntings typically

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they say a poltergeist follows an

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individual around whereas a haunting is

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located to a particular place a

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particular building for example but they

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overlap quite a bit and

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parapsychologists often like to be on

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the scene to observe the strange what's

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called recurring spontaneous

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psychokinetic activities associated with

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poltergeists and hauntings when when

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they can and there's probably in the

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literature well over a hundred

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well-documented cases

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unusual phenomenon being observed at

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these sites you know you have any

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particular favorites well for example I

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think they're coming out with a new

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movie about what's called the Enfield

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poltergeist ooh got a lot of attention

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about 20-30 years ago in England

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yeah let's pursue that particular

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poltergeist phenomenon in our next

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segment okay we have dr. Jeffrey

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Mishlove with Gene who has no doctorates

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or degrees and Chris you're in the para

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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[Music]

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okay so you're talking about a specific

2056
01:35:31,540 --> 01:35:28,609
motor Geist episode or a series of

2057
01:35:34,119 --> 01:35:31,550
episodes Jeff would you explain well the

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01:35:37,779 --> 01:35:34,129
Enfield poltergeist is one of the most

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01:35:40,899 --> 01:35:37,789
dramatic on record it was researched

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01:35:43,689 --> 01:35:40,909
extensively by my friend guy Lyon

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Playfair in England who was written

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about it

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the case went on for several years and

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it included in the course of the

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investigation a wide wide range of

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paranormal phenomenon including people

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being thrown around the room objects

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being levitated objects materializing

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and dematerializing voices appearing out

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of nowhere in the middle of the room in

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the family who was living in this house

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was in I guess they felt practically

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tortured by these phenomenon and as I

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say they went were ongoing for years

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before they eventually subsided and

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researchers were on the scene almost

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continually of course Hollywood is gonna

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have their way with that particular you

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know when it gets time to be made into a

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movie the people from Hollywood are

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interested in one thing which is

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maximizing their ticket sales so they're

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not trying to tell the story the way a

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researcher would attempt to tell it yeah

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unfortunately they're trying to tell in

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a way that the people will come in and

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pay for tickets it's called the

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entertainment complex well we do have

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quite a bit of interest obviously on the

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show in the subject of ufology and UFOs

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or you AP's I think is a now termed as

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your unexplained aerial phenomenon or

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Ray Stanford's term anomalous aerial

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objects aao

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before we get into that subject you know

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I've always been taken by the fact that

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you included Ray and his twin brother

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Rex in your book roots of consciousness

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it's where I first really found out

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about Rey and his brother and since then

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Rey has become a very good friend of

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mine in fact I've written a biography

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about his youthful aaj achill life what

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do you think of people like array

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Stanford who has what appear to be

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special abilities and he's an identical

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twin and his identical twin doesn't

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appear to have those abilities yet is so

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intrigued I think by his brothers

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abilities that he goes on and has a

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fascination for parapsychology did you

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get a chance to meet Ray back then or

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have you kept in touch many years in

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fact back in 1973 I sponsored a

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conference on parapsychology at Berkeley

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in which both ray and Rex Stanford

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attended and and were speakers at the

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time but I haven't kept up with them

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since that time it's been a long long

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time since I've had any contact with

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either of these two subsequently I wrote

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a book myself called the pique man about

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an individual who had unusual

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psychokinetic abilities and believed

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that those abilities occurred by virtue

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of a connection he had with alien

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entities he called the space

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intelligences well give us some kind of

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a thumbnail sketch so who is this person

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what were some of the yeah his name is

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Ted Owens and for people who view my

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video series at new thinking aloud

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dot-com that spelled a ll Oh W EDD I've

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done about five or six interviews about

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the case of the pique man it's quite

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elaborate I studied him for over a

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decade and amongst many other

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demonstrations of psychokinetic

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abilities or his connection with alien

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entities he produced UFO sightings and

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he did that for me

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I asked him because I saw in the files

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that there were many such cases

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and I tried to set up a controlled

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experiment where he was going to produce

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some dramatic UFO sightings in the San

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Francisco area we used the San Diego

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area a comparable metropolitan area as a

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control group to see if our these

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occurring any anyway all the time

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everywhere we got very dramatic

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sightings in San Francisco at one point

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Ted Owens called me up and he said it's

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going to happen I can feel it it's going

2155
01:40:20,509 --> 01:40:17,190
to be in a couple of days there's going

2156
01:40:22,669 --> 01:40:20,519
to be a UFO it will be seen by hundreds

2157
01:40:25,100 --> 01:40:22,679
of people it will be photographed and

2158
01:40:27,100 --> 01:40:25,110
the photograph will be published on the

2159
01:40:29,629 --> 01:40:27,110
front page of one of your local

2160
01:40:32,989 --> 01:40:29,639
newspapers well that's exactly what

2161
01:40:35,209 --> 01:40:32,999
happened three days later and not only

2162
01:40:38,209 --> 01:40:35,219
was it photographed it was videotaped

2163
01:40:41,779 --> 01:40:38,219
and the videotape was shown on channel 9

2164
01:40:44,989 --> 01:40:41,789
Evening News in San Francisco I still

2165
01:40:47,930 --> 01:40:44,999
have the videotape and furthermore it

2166
01:40:50,839 --> 01:40:47,940
was seen not only by hundreds of people

2167
01:40:55,939 --> 01:40:50,849
on the ground who were outdoors looking

2168
01:40:58,000 --> 01:40:55,949
at an exhibit of aerial artwork over the

2169
01:41:01,279 --> 01:40:58,010
campus of the Sonoma State University

2170
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:01,289
about 50 miles from San Francisco the

2171
01:41:06,890 --> 01:41:05,010
whole army faster which was out there

2172
01:41:10,609 --> 01:41:06,900
but there was a pilot in the air an

2173
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:10,619
artist named Steven poleski who had an

2174
01:41:15,529 --> 01:41:13,440
airplane the 3,000 feet above the campus

2175
01:41:18,500 --> 01:41:15,539
with smoke shooting out the back and

2176
01:41:20,509 --> 01:41:18,510
this unidentified flying object just was

2177
01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:20,519
right there in his airspace hovering

2178
01:41:27,199 --> 01:41:24,090
around him lozenge-shaped about 30 feet

2179
01:41:29,540 --> 01:41:27,209
across so we've seen simultaneously from

2180
01:41:31,969 --> 01:41:29,550
the air and the ground photographed and

2181
01:41:35,299 --> 01:41:31,979
videotaped probably one of the best

2182
01:41:38,319 --> 01:41:35,309
attested UFO sightings in history and

2183
01:41:42,140 --> 01:41:38,329
the whole thing had been very explicitly

2184
01:41:44,359 --> 01:41:42,150
predicted for me by Ted Owens the PK man

2185
01:41:46,279 --> 01:41:44,369
not only predicted he claimed he caused

2186
01:41:48,649 --> 01:41:46,289
it you know it's very interesting when

2187
01:41:50,959 --> 01:41:48,659
you mentioned Ted Owens because my only

2188
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:50,969
remembrance of that name is someone who

2189
01:41:55,310 --> 01:41:53,489
was really really considered

2190
01:41:56,449 --> 01:41:55,320
controversial but I looked up his

2191
01:41:58,729 --> 01:41:56,459
history

2192
01:42:02,479 --> 01:41:58,739
and one of the early people who wrote

2193
01:42:05,029 --> 01:42:02,489
about him was Otto bender the comic book

2194
01:42:08,779 --> 01:42:05,039
writer science fiction writer and UFO

2195
01:42:10,819 --> 01:42:08,789
writer the if you remember again what

2196
01:42:13,989 --> 01:42:10,829
was the time frame well what was this

2197
01:42:19,029 --> 01:42:13,999
time frame this 10-year time frame I

2198
01:42:25,640 --> 01:42:19,039
researched Ted Owens starting in 1976

2199
01:42:29,270 --> 01:42:25,650
until his death in 1987 where do you

2200
01:42:31,640 --> 01:42:29,280
come down the whole UFO question it

2201
01:42:34,759 --> 01:42:31,650
sounds like you have a sense is a real

2202
01:42:36,350 --> 01:42:34,769
phenomenon what what what are your

2203
01:42:38,719 --> 01:42:36,360
theories or what do you think is

2204
01:42:41,859 --> 01:42:38,729
operative here are we dealing with with

2205
01:42:45,140 --> 01:42:41,869
actual you know interstellar traveling

2206
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:45,150
beans from other star systems are we

2207
01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:46,650
dealing with with some sort of

2208
01:42:50,449 --> 01:42:48,719
manifestation the collective

2209
01:42:52,219 --> 01:42:50,459
manifestation let's say and the part of

2210
01:42:56,419 --> 01:42:52,229
humans or are we dealing with other

2211
01:43:00,199 --> 01:42:56,429
tenants and none well it might be a

2212
01:43:02,149 --> 01:43:00,209
multiple phenomena for all we know but

2213
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:02,159
as I mentioned earlier I'm very partial

2214
01:43:08,270 --> 01:43:05,010
to the series of Jacques Farley who

2215
01:43:11,209 --> 01:43:08,280
suggests that there are entities they

2216
01:43:14,029 --> 01:43:11,219
may be entities in different realms of

2217
01:43:16,219 --> 01:43:14,039
consciousness or realms of hyperspace it

2218
01:43:18,529 --> 01:43:16,229
may not be that they actually come from

2219
01:43:21,020 --> 01:43:18,539
other planets but it seems they've been

2220
01:43:23,299 --> 01:43:21,030
around for a long time and have been

2221
01:43:26,689 --> 01:43:23,309
attempting to manipulate the human

2222
01:43:30,020 --> 01:43:26,699
species in different ways by operating

2223
01:43:33,609 --> 01:43:30,030
at an almost subconscious level Ted

2224
01:43:38,929 --> 01:43:33,619
Owens who had enormous abilities and did

2225
01:43:42,080 --> 01:43:38,939
168 demonstrations in my files claimed

2226
01:43:45,489 --> 01:43:42,090
that he was the first person they found

2227
01:43:49,339 --> 01:43:45,499
who had this level of power since Moses

2228
01:43:53,540 --> 01:43:49,349
so he's suggesting that you know the

2229
01:43:57,620 --> 01:43:53,550
same entities responsible for the ten

2230
01:44:00,279 --> 01:43:57,630
plagues in Egypt some 3,000 years ago

2231
01:44:03,679 --> 01:44:00,289
we're the ones that are working with him

2232
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:03,689
wow that's a pretty exalted company to

2233
01:44:10,130 --> 01:44:07,679
place yourself in well you might say so

2234
01:44:12,980 --> 01:44:10,140
I mean people who are

2235
01:44:18,370 --> 01:44:12,990
mentally religious think of Moses as a

2236
01:44:20,810 --> 01:44:18,380
spiritual hero but if you read the Bible

2237
01:44:23,150 --> 01:44:20,820
literally there are descriptions of

2238
01:44:25,880 --> 01:44:23,160
Moses and the various miracles

2239
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:25,890
attributed to him and some of the other

2240
01:44:32,540 --> 01:44:30,000
actions that he engaged in and including

2241
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:32,550
killing thousands of people for the

2242
01:44:37,280 --> 01:44:35,130
great sin of worshipping the golden calf

2243
01:44:39,740 --> 01:44:37,290
that make him much less than a spiritual

2244
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:39,750
hero to me but maybe we're getting a bit

2245
01:44:44,840 --> 01:44:41,970
off topic here well that's all right he

2246
01:44:49,100 --> 01:44:44,850
was probably the head of a rival cattle

2247
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:49,110
cult sect as his brother Aaron was which

2248
01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:54,090
is one of my theories of course King

2249
01:44:58,340 --> 01:44:55,890
James made sure that all references to

2250
01:45:00,620 --> 01:44:58,350
the bull and cow worship were excised

2251
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:00,630
from the Bible in the early 15 16

2252
01:45:08,240 --> 01:45:05,250
hundreds but again we do digress you

2253
01:45:11,690 --> 01:45:08,250
know an interesting theory that I've

2254
01:45:14,270 --> 01:45:11,700
always felt had some real resonance

2255
01:45:17,210 --> 01:45:14,280
attached to it of course with James

2256
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:17,220
Lovelock so guy in theory the theory of

2257
01:45:21,740 --> 01:45:20,010
guy which is now I think been kind of

2258
01:45:24,490 --> 01:45:21,750
spiffed up and they now call it Earth

2259
01:45:27,140 --> 01:45:24,500
System science let's talk about earth

2260
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systems science or whatever you want to

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01:45:37,900 --> 01:45:29,310
call it just Jean and Chris you're in

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thank you for listening to GCS

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intelligence officer is haunted by

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turn out to be true and thrust him into

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[Applause]

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welcome back into the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

2315
01:48:17,060 --> 01:48:13,060
here's Jane Steinberg earth systems

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01:48:19,170 --> 01:48:17,070
science doesn't sexy anymore

2317
01:48:20,670 --> 01:48:19,180
formerly known as guy in theory of

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01:48:22,530 --> 01:48:20,680
course when Lovelock came out with a guy

2319
01:48:24,890 --> 01:48:22,540
in hypothesis he was tarred and

2320
01:48:28,050 --> 01:48:24,900
feathered by the scientific and academic

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01:48:31,110 --> 01:48:28,060
communities the mainstream there is I

2322
01:48:32,670 --> 01:48:31,120
think something very tangible behind the

2323
01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:32,680
idea that the earth is a super organism

2324
01:48:37,050 --> 01:48:34,890
that has some sort of form of sentience

2325
01:48:40,830 --> 01:48:37,060
where do you come down on that whole

2326
01:48:43,200 --> 01:48:40,840
idea of we're merely seed pods on a

2327
01:48:45,870 --> 01:48:43,210
super organism and we're being tricked

2328
01:48:48,090 --> 01:48:45,880
to get off planet before we destroy the

2329
01:48:50,790 --> 01:48:48,100
ecosystem for the next thousand years

2330
01:48:53,070 --> 01:48:50,800
and maybe guy is trying to get us out

2331
01:48:54,290 --> 01:48:53,080
there to to spread the gene pool out to

2332
01:48:57,120 --> 01:48:54,300
the stars

2333
01:48:58,800 --> 01:48:57,130
I'm kind of extrapolating on Lovelock's

2334
01:48:59,970 --> 01:48:58,810
theory here a little bit but do you

2335
01:49:02,400 --> 01:48:59,980
think that there's something to that I

2336
01:49:04,530 --> 01:49:02,410
mean have you really studied I think

2337
01:49:07,950 --> 01:49:04,540
there very well might be something to it

2338
01:49:10,530 --> 01:49:07,960
if you take the view of Pan psychism a

2339
01:49:12,510 --> 01:49:10,540
philosophical view toward that I

2340
01:49:15,180 --> 01:49:12,520
described earlier which basically

2341
01:49:18,450 --> 01:49:15,190
suggests that even subatomic particles

2342
01:49:21,530 --> 01:49:18,460
have a measure of consciousness then why

2343
01:49:23,480 --> 01:49:21,540
wouldn't a planet also have a measure of

2344
01:49:25,890 --> 01:49:23,490
consciousness I think it's quite likely

2345
01:49:29,940 --> 01:49:25,900
I'll tell you that what intrigues me

2346
01:49:34,050 --> 01:49:29,950
about the Gaia hypothesis is the actual

2347
01:49:36,810 --> 01:49:34,060
mythology of Gaia herself I did an

2348
01:49:40,010 --> 01:49:36,820
interview recently for my new thinking

2349
01:49:42,630 --> 01:49:40,020
aloud series with a scholar of ancient

2350
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:42,640
mythology who pointed out that in

2351
01:49:48,540 --> 01:49:45,570
ancient times there were multiple

2352
01:49:51,230 --> 01:49:48,550
instances in which the mother goddess of

2353
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:51,240
which Gaia is one of the oldest

2354
01:49:57,600 --> 01:49:53,770
collaborated with her own children to

2355
01:50:00,960 --> 01:49:57,610
overthrow the ruling sky God so Uranus

2356
01:50:03,990 --> 01:50:00,970
was overthrown by Kronos and Kronos was

2357
01:50:06,850 --> 01:50:04,000
overthrown by Zeus and it seems as if

2358
01:50:09,609 --> 01:50:06,860
there were efforts to overthrow Zeus

2359
01:50:12,189 --> 01:50:09,619
as well that the aleutian e'en mysteries

2360
01:50:14,649 --> 01:50:12,199
may have actually been an effort to do

2361
01:50:18,040 --> 01:50:14,659
that so you've got a kind of attention

2362
01:50:21,010 --> 01:50:18,050
built in between the idea of the earth

2363
01:50:24,370 --> 01:50:21,020
goddess which represents a sense of

2364
01:50:27,729 --> 01:50:24,380
ecology a sense of we are all connected

2365
01:50:30,340 --> 01:50:27,739
we are all one as opposed to the sky God

2366
01:50:33,160 --> 01:50:30,350
with his sense of you know I'm in charge

2367
01:50:35,950 --> 01:50:33,170
and you better do what I say also the

2368
01:50:38,050 --> 01:50:35,960
sky gods have a history of abusing their

2369
01:50:41,620 --> 01:50:38,060
children and being afraid that their

2370
01:50:44,410 --> 01:50:41,630
children may wish to overthrow them

2371
01:50:47,290 --> 01:50:44,420
which in fact they do it seems that a

2372
01:50:50,740 --> 01:50:47,300
lot of dynamics associated with human

2373
01:50:53,379 --> 01:50:50,750
history are embodied in these myths so

2374
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:53,389
that the revival of the Gaia myth by

2375
01:50:58,390 --> 01:50:56,090
Lovelock there's more depth to it than

2376
01:51:02,520 --> 01:50:58,400
one might see at first it almost

2377
01:51:06,129 --> 01:51:02,530
suggests a necessity to overthrow the

2378
01:51:08,530 --> 01:51:06,139
dominant idea of a masculine God up in

2379
01:51:10,450 --> 01:51:08,540
the sky well then that that kind of

2380
01:51:15,160 --> 01:51:10,460
calls in the trickster as possibly a

2381
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:15,170
mechanism to actually do that an

2382
01:51:20,080 --> 01:51:17,330
archetype that I'm particularly fond of

2383
01:51:20,820 --> 01:51:20,090
and tried to redefine the trickster in a

2384
01:51:23,830 --> 01:51:20,830
book

2385
01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:23,840
well the trickster archetype is also

2386
01:51:29,609 --> 01:51:26,330
associated with the god Hermes and

2387
01:51:33,640 --> 01:51:29,619
mercury who were the initiators into the

2388
01:51:35,919 --> 01:51:33,650
spiritual psychic and mystical mysteries

2389
01:51:38,830 --> 01:51:35,929
of the universe well and he also

2390
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:38,840
inhabited the sky and the earth the

2391
01:51:45,070 --> 01:51:41,330
firmament yeah they were messages back

2392
01:51:47,470 --> 01:51:45,080
and forth going back and forth and so

2393
01:51:49,870 --> 01:51:47,480
there's you know the whole Western

2394
01:51:52,419 --> 01:51:49,880
esoteric tradition it's sometimes called

2395
01:51:55,240 --> 01:51:52,429
the Hermetic tradition because it goes

2396
01:51:57,399 --> 01:51:55,250
back to this trickster god Hermes right

2397
01:51:59,740 --> 01:51:57,409
well I have a theory that the trickster

2398
01:52:02,530 --> 01:51:59,750
by literal definition by a you know

2399
01:52:05,050 --> 01:52:02,540
traditional definition is neither self

2400
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:05,060
aware and as a result lacks an agenda

2401
01:52:09,010 --> 01:52:07,610
and as you know is amoral it does it's

2402
01:52:10,270 --> 01:52:09,020
not positive or negative it's like a

2403
01:52:12,430 --> 01:52:10,280
little three-year-old kid banging his

2404
01:52:14,470 --> 01:52:12,440
sister on the head with a bat having so

2405
01:52:17,589 --> 01:52:14,480
much fun not realizing could kill her

2406
01:52:19,629 --> 01:52:17,599
you know I have a feeling that the

2407
01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:19,639
tricksters role of inadvertently

2408
01:52:22,300 --> 01:52:20,570
supplying

2409
01:52:24,220 --> 01:52:22,310
humans with technology are changing

2410
01:52:27,100 --> 01:52:24,230
nature and for the benefit of the

2411
01:52:30,550 --> 01:52:27,110
betterment or benefit of man benefit of

2412
01:52:32,770 --> 01:52:30,560
man go ahead I have a theory that the

2413
01:52:36,070 --> 01:52:32,780
trickster is now being supplied

2414
01:52:40,060 --> 01:52:36,080
technology by humans and could possibly

2415
01:52:43,120 --> 01:52:40,070
be reemerging as a self-aware with a

2416
01:52:46,510 --> 01:52:43,130
possible agenda within the Internet and

2417
01:52:52,330 --> 01:52:46,520
I I would like to encourage you to

2418
01:52:55,510 --> 01:52:52,340
invite on your program one of my guests

2419
01:52:58,270 --> 01:52:55,520
Jason George Ani who is a philosopher he

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01:53:01,090 --> 01:52:58,280
teaches at the Newark or the New Jersey

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01:53:03,340 --> 01:53:01,100
Institute of Technology in Newark New

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01:53:06,460 --> 01:53:03,350
Jersey and he is the author of a book

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01:53:09,190 --> 01:53:06,470
called Prometheus and Atlas in which he

2424
01:53:11,410 --> 01:53:09,200
deals at Great Lengths with the

2425
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:11,420
trickster archetype and how it relates

2426
01:53:18,610 --> 01:53:15,050
to my work with the pique man and to UFO

2427
01:53:21,970 --> 01:53:18,620
phenomenon in general and to the whole

2428
01:53:23,080 --> 01:53:21,980
history of Western culture well

2429
01:53:25,180 --> 01:53:23,090
excellent we're gonna have to make a

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01:53:28,990 --> 01:53:25,190
note of that gene where I was on the

2431
01:53:31,470 --> 01:53:29,000
lookout for guests that you know aren't

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01:53:34,300 --> 01:53:31,480
your your standard you falah djegal fare

2433
01:53:35,470 --> 01:53:34,310
they're few and far between and hard to

2434
01:53:37,360 --> 01:53:35,480
find invariably

2435
01:53:39,340 --> 01:53:37,370
thank you for the recommendation we will

2436
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:39,350
definitely follow up on that well

2437
01:53:42,430 --> 01:53:40,850
getting back to the whole idea of Gaia

2438
01:53:44,170 --> 01:53:42,440
do you think guy could be conscious

2439
01:53:47,290 --> 01:53:44,180
enough or have an agenda and could be

2440
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:47,300
possibly manifesting many of what we are

2441
01:53:50,890 --> 01:53:50,000
calling paranormal you know phenomenal

2442
01:53:53,070 --> 01:53:50,900
events do you think there's a

2443
01:53:58,320 --> 01:53:53,080
possibility that there's some sort of a

2444
01:54:02,050 --> 01:53:58,330
possible guy an imperative being enacted

2445
01:54:05,910 --> 01:54:02,060
the matter much thought but I have to

2446
01:54:10,540 --> 01:54:05,920
say yes I think that it's a possibility

2447
01:54:15,430 --> 01:54:10,550
if one assumes that Gaia is an active

2448
01:54:17,860 --> 01:54:15,440
conscious presence then then one also

2449
01:54:22,810 --> 01:54:17,870
has to take into account the possibility

2450
01:54:26,250 --> 01:54:22,820
of other archetypal entities and the the

2451
01:54:28,870 --> 01:54:26,260
conflicts that may arise amongst them so

2452
01:54:30,850 --> 01:54:28,880
the whole picture could be exceedingly

2453
01:54:33,340 --> 01:54:30,860
complex and I think it's one of the

2454
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:33,350
reasons why most materialistic

2455
01:54:36,640 --> 01:54:34,490
scientists

2456
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:36,650
think they better stay away from this

2457
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:38,960
altogether because if you start to take

2458
01:54:46,420 --> 01:54:41,930
any of these hypotheses seriously it'll

2459
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:46,430
drive you crazy well that's unfortunate

2460
01:54:51,330 --> 01:54:49,370
but there are some of us who are brave

2461
01:54:54,190 --> 01:54:51,340
enough and intrepid enough to start

2462
01:54:58,840 --> 01:54:54,200
digging around in places that some

2463
01:55:01,510 --> 01:54:58,850
people just don't want to go and that's

2464
01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:01,520
what we do at the para caste we we dig

2465
01:55:06,940 --> 01:55:03,650
around and we sometimes get a little

2466
01:55:08,410 --> 01:55:06,950
trouble for it but what the heck well I

2467
01:55:10,210 --> 01:55:08,420
find that the more you dig the more

2468
01:55:13,630 --> 01:55:10,220
dirty uncovers so that's kind of one of

2469
01:55:16,660 --> 01:55:13,640
my axioms you know I we love to dig here

2470
01:55:19,870 --> 01:55:16,670
so you know you're you're talking about

2471
01:55:20,980 --> 01:55:19,880
your your new thinking channel once you

2472
01:55:24,660 --> 01:55:20,990
give us a little bit more information

2473
01:55:26,740 --> 01:55:24,670
about that and and give us maybe a

2474
01:55:28,510 --> 01:55:26,750
rundown of some of the people that

2475
01:55:31,510 --> 01:55:28,520
you're featuring and in some of the

2476
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:31,520
areas that people can can expect to find

2477
01:55:36,310 --> 01:55:33,170
there in terms of areas of concentration

2478
01:55:38,470 --> 01:55:36,320
and research well let me just say yeah

2479
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:38,480
and thank you for asking

2480
01:55:45,010 --> 01:55:41,450
I'm happy to talk about it it's my

2481
01:55:49,420 --> 01:55:45,020
passion right now as I mentioned earlier

2482
01:55:52,300 --> 01:55:49,430
in the program 36 years ago I received a

2483
01:55:54,700 --> 01:55:52,310
doctorate Diploma in parapsychology and

2484
01:55:56,970 --> 01:55:54,710
to this date it's the only one ever

2485
01:56:00,220 --> 01:55:56,980
awarded in the world by an accredited

2486
01:56:02,890 --> 01:56:00,230
American University but I'm optimistic

2487
01:56:05,190 --> 01:56:02,900
enough to think that eventually there

2488
01:56:07,380 --> 01:56:05,200
will be academic programs in

2489
01:56:11,500 --> 01:56:07,390
parapsychology and many colleges and

2490
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:11,510
universities and so my goal in creating

2491
01:56:19,620 --> 01:56:15,610
the new thinking aloud video channel is

2492
01:56:22,980 --> 01:56:19,630
to leave a legacy for future generations

2493
01:56:25,780 --> 01:56:22,990
so that they know you know what the best

2494
01:56:28,510 --> 01:56:25,790
minds the best researchers in the field

2495
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:28,520
have had to say about it now because

2496
01:56:33,580 --> 01:56:30,770
there's some great researchers around

2497
01:56:36,820 --> 01:56:33,590
and many of them are getting older I'm

2498
01:56:39,610 --> 01:56:36,830
69 myself and many of my own teachers

2499
01:56:44,050 --> 01:56:39,620
are in their 70s and 80s so I'm trying

2500
01:56:47,620 --> 01:56:44,060
to give them an opportunity to do series

2501
01:56:50,140 --> 01:56:47,630
of career retrospective interviews

2502
01:56:52,630 --> 01:56:50,150
in which they can talk about you know

2503
01:56:55,810 --> 01:56:52,640
what they've learned over the last 50 60

2504
01:56:57,570 --> 01:56:55,820
years as researchers in this field and

2505
01:57:00,510 --> 01:56:57,580
of course also some young ones like

2506
01:57:03,400 --> 01:57:00,520
Jason George Ani who I mentioned earlier

2507
01:57:05,530 --> 01:57:03,410
got his doctoral degree only two or

2508
01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:05,540
three years ago and is doing incredibly

2509
01:57:12,490 --> 01:57:09,290
brilliant work now so that that's my

2510
01:57:16,510 --> 01:57:12,500
goal I'm there to leave a legacy and we

2511
01:57:22,060 --> 01:57:16,520
have basically two websites new thinking

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01:57:23,860 --> 01:57:22,070
aloud spelled al l o w e d.com and let's

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01:57:27,010 --> 01:57:23,870
do the second one our next segment okay

2514
01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:27,020
Jeff okay yeah so we got one site there

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which will repeat then get ready to

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write down the other one get your

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we have those two sites from Jeff

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02:02:16,970 --> 02:02:14,100
mentioned the first one again then tell

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02:02:19,910 --> 02:02:16,980
us about the second yeah new thinking

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02:02:24,380 --> 02:02:19,920
aloud calm and it's all one word new

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02:02:27,439 --> 02:02:24,390
thinking aloud al l o w ee d it's court

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kind of a play on words and new thinking

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02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:30,800
aloud org is the new thinking aloud

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Foundation which is raising money for

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02:02:39,110 --> 02:02:36,390
the ongoing production of the video

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02:02:41,390 --> 02:02:39,120
series and there are many many

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02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:41,400
interesting things available on the

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02:02:48,140 --> 02:02:44,610
foundation website so including books

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and other items available from the TV

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series and to date in the last fifteen

2632
02:02:59,290 --> 02:02:55,199
months I've actually uploaded a hundred

2633
02:03:01,669 --> 02:02:59,300
and eighty plus interviews onto the

2634
02:03:04,459 --> 02:03:01,679
website they haven't all been released

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02:03:06,530 --> 02:03:04,469
to the public yet but they will be

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02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:06,540
between now and the end of the year I

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02:03:13,100 --> 02:03:08,610
think about a hundred and fifty of them

2638
02:03:15,860 --> 02:03:13,110
are now public and we're still actively

2639
02:03:19,430 --> 02:03:15,870
engaged in productions next month I have

2640
02:03:21,669 --> 02:03:19,440
Charlie tart coming to Las Vegas to be

2641
02:03:24,530 --> 02:03:21,679
interviewed who was one of my professors

2642
02:03:25,669 --> 02:03:24,540
only I think he's wasn't he one of those

2643
02:03:27,439 --> 02:03:25,679
the people that started when

2644
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:27,449
transpersonal psychology I'm not

2645
02:03:32,890 --> 02:03:29,810
mistaken yes he wrote the book

2646
02:03:36,260 --> 02:03:32,900
transpersonal psychology z-- and he also

2647
02:03:39,140 --> 02:03:36,270
popularized the term altered states of

2648
02:03:41,510 --> 02:03:39,150
consciousness he wrote that book he's

2649
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:41,520
sort of a cult hero he was even

2650
02:03:46,459 --> 02:03:44,010
mentioned in the movie altered states as

2651
02:03:49,220 --> 02:03:46,469
being one of the few researchers around

2652
02:03:52,340 --> 02:03:49,230
doing good work in the field yeah true

2653
02:03:55,250 --> 02:03:52,350
you have rubbed shoulders with as in the

2654
02:03:58,939 --> 02:03:55,260
field John Lilly I'm sure would be one

2655
02:04:00,860 --> 02:03:58,949
of them Terence Mckenna probably uh you

2656
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:00,870
probably have many interviews with

2657
02:04:06,770 --> 02:04:03,050
Terence Mckenna as I mentioned I started

2658
02:04:08,240 --> 02:04:06,780
my career in this field by being a radio

2659
02:04:12,380 --> 02:04:08,250
interviewer and

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02:04:14,870 --> 02:04:12,390
in 72 and in the course of all of those

2661
02:04:19,070 --> 02:04:14,880
decades have done well over a thousand

2662
02:04:21,290 --> 02:04:19,080
interviews with many of the thought

2663
02:04:23,660 --> 02:04:21,300
leaders in the field many of whom are no

2664
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:23,670
longer with us let me ask you a kind of

2665
02:04:28,730 --> 02:04:26,010
a crazy question here but we asked crazy

2666
02:04:31,430 --> 02:04:28,740
questions so we talked to the people

2667
02:04:32,990 --> 02:04:31,440
you've worked with on a factual basis

2668
02:04:36,170 --> 02:04:33,000
and I should point out in all fairness

2669
02:04:37,460 --> 02:04:36,180
that when Ted Owens was alive and he had

2670
02:04:40,430 --> 02:04:37,470
a couple of books published by grey

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Barker's caesarian back in the early

2672
02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:43,530
days that some people really dismissed

2673
02:04:49,850 --> 02:04:46,410
him didn't take him seriously but over

2674
02:04:52,850 --> 02:04:49,860
the long haul over the years have you

2675
02:04:56,210 --> 02:04:52,860
run into many people who made claims of

2676
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being some kind of psychic or to have

2677
02:05:00,110 --> 02:04:58,020
some really important knowledge about

2678
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the paranormal that turned out not to

2679
02:05:05,990 --> 02:05:02,790
really have any of that stuff well most

2680
02:05:08,420 --> 02:05:06,000
people to be honest who make claims like

2681
02:05:12,230 --> 02:05:08,430
that aren't able to back them up the way

2682
02:05:14,230 --> 02:05:12,240
Ted Owens was he sought out scientists

2683
02:05:17,300 --> 02:05:14,240
and did demonstration after

2684
02:05:19,730 --> 02:05:17,310
demonstration after demonstration trying

2685
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to convince them that he was the real

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thing but most people who make such

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claims don't do that Ted Owens was very

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unusual in that regard and the tragedy

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is that in spite of all of his efforts

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to work with scientists he was generally

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met with ridicule and furthermore it got

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under his skin so when people laughed at

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him for making the claims that he made

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he often said I better teach these

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people a lesson so he would lash out at

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many people using his psychokinetic

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02:05:56,660 --> 02:05:54,120
abilities and the results were not

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02:05:59,690 --> 02:05:56,670
always pleasant there were lives lost

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there were accidents and crashes and

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very unfortunate things that sometimes

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happened to people and in fact on one

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02:06:10,520 --> 02:06:07,530
occasion he got angry with me I

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02:06:13,220 --> 02:06:10,530
mentioned a wonderful UFO sighting that

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02:06:15,680 --> 02:06:13,230
he produced but he promised he was going

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02:06:18,200 --> 02:06:15,690
to produce three of them some days

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02:06:19,970 --> 02:06:18,210
afterwards he we were on the phone and

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he was bragging about what a great

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sighting he produced and

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I said well you haven't done everything

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you said you were going to do yet and he

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slammed the phone down he was so angry

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and I began to feel sick all of a sudden

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02:06:37,430 --> 02:06:35,519
I began to get a scratchy feeling in my

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throat the kind you get when you know oh

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this is going to be bad I'm getting a

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real sore throat here then 45 minutes

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02:06:48,470 --> 02:06:46,559
later he called back without explaining

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02:06:51,919 --> 02:06:48,480
himself in any way he simply said

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Geoffrey I apologize I will never do

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that to you again

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and within moments my sore throat

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cleared up oh boy so this person can

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make you sing well I think we need to

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appreciate that we live in a world where

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we don't know who has these abilities

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and who doesn't

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you know the lesson for me is honestly

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to always treat every other person with

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respect that there's never a good reason

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to treat any other human being with

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contempt and it's often risky because

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you don't know if the person that you're

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treating with contempt might have

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psychokinetic abilities and might try to

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lash out at you that way so you're

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saying basically that if I don't like

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somebody they'd rip me off and I have

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these abilities and I am not aware that

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I have any abilities but assuming I did

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I could will them to become sick or

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something yes that's precisely what I'm

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saying that's one of the reasons there's

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so much resistance to parapsychology is

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because of those sorts of implication we

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live in a world where here in the United

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States of America less than 300 years

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02:08:02,919 --> 02:08:00,179
ago we were burning witches at the stake

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and people think that was a dark

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superstitious age well maybe it was but

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we we have to confront the evidence and

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02:08:15,379 --> 02:08:12,230
the evidence to me is that this type of

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psychokinetic attack is is quite

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02:08:20,930 --> 02:08:17,969
possible they can tell you stories about

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a primitive animistic worldview that

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makes more sense than the modern

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02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:26,369
materialistic worldview today we believe

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that witchcraft doesn't really exist and

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02:08:35,870 --> 02:08:32,249
it may well be that we've got it wrong

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yeah well from personal experience

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that what you've described is very real

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having personally experienced one close

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02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:47,010
call that I got was inches away from

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being killed after breaking up with a

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very very powerful Wiccan practitioner

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and someone trained and advanced degrees

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of the Western esoteric tradition and

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her and a friend got together and I said

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I think they were doing some hanky-panky

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and I almost I came within inches of

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having the closest call I ever had while

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driving on the road I had a person come

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blazing down a mountain road at night in

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my lane and I literally had to leave the

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road to not be killed and I do equate

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doubt I equate that with what was going

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on in my house by two very powerful

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practitioners of the dark arts shall we

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say practitioners of the dark arts you

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can tell us a lot more about that not

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really it was a four-year relationship

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02:09:46,879 --> 02:09:43,139
with a Salem trained Wiccan practitioner

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02:09:49,580 --> 02:09:46,889
and we both went through some some

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02:09:51,169 --> 02:09:49,590
pretty sophisticated hermetic training

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02:09:52,820 --> 02:09:51,179
I'll leave it at that

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02:09:56,479 --> 02:09:52,830
I'm not going to say there are any

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psychic aspects to this maybe psycho but

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over the last portion of this episode of

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the podcast kris has had some awful

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problems dealing with his Skype

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connection so every so often his voice

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gets distorted

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sometimes what he says completely

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disappears I know many of you have

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encountered problems like that with

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Skype and I'm not going to say it's the

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result of the fact that Skype is a

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Microsoft product just bear with us

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we're back with Jeff on the para cast

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let me ask you a question here which

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kind of focuses on everything obviously

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you'd like to see more and more people

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study parapsychology what about ufology

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something like that I think they're

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related fields parapsychology ufology

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their whole number of areas of the

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paranormal and I think they all touch

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upon each other one might say that para

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psychologists have developed more

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sophisticated experimental methodologies

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and field study methodologies but UFO

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researchers also have good field study

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methodologies they're somewhat different

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and often you find that the UFO

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researchers and the parent psychologists

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don't like to talk to each other because

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they're afraid they'll be stigmatized

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it's hard enough to be working in one

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area of the paranormal as soon as you

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start to work into you're sort of

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doubling the stigma that you're going to

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have to face with your colleagues

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especially if you're in an academic

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institution now you put UFOs and

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parapsychology in the same field but you

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know of course that there are a lot of

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people out there who say okay UFOs is

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physical visitations from other planets

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it's just spaceships whereas with

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parapsychology we get into a whole host

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of things do we think then that there's

2949
02:16:50,990 --> 02:16:48,630
a very deep consciousness factor in what

2950
02:16:55,790 --> 02:16:51,000
we experience or perceive about UFOs

2951
02:16:58,790 --> 02:16:55,800
well even if you assume that UFOs are

2952
02:17:02,929 --> 02:16:58,800
spaceships from other star systems which

2953
02:17:06,009 --> 02:17:02,939
is one hypothesis among many you get

2954
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accounts of telepathic communication

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02:17:11,599 --> 02:17:08,809
supposedly occurring between the

2956
02:17:14,269 --> 02:17:11,609
occupants of these spaceships and in

2957
02:17:17,000 --> 02:17:14,279
humans so there's a pair of

2958
02:17:19,639 --> 02:17:17,010
psychological element there there's no

2959
02:17:20,870 --> 02:17:19,649
getting around it one way or another now

2960
02:17:23,209 --> 02:17:20,880
that's a very interesting

2961
02:17:25,820 --> 02:17:23,219
thing here because one of the complaints

2962
02:17:28,250 --> 02:17:25,830
I often make about UFO investigation is

2963
02:17:30,860 --> 02:17:28,260
the fact that when investigators come in

2964
02:17:33,950 --> 02:17:30,870
and look at a sighting but get the

2965
02:17:36,799 --> 02:17:33,960
details you know the azimuth the size of

2966
02:17:38,629 --> 02:17:36,809
the object what it looked like they'll

2967
02:17:42,589 --> 02:17:38,639
get all sorts of information about what

2968
02:17:45,469 --> 02:17:42,599
you saw but not who you are yeah it all

2969
02:17:48,469 --> 02:17:45,479
needs to be taken into account and there

2970
02:17:50,990 --> 02:17:48,479
are many examples in the literature of

2971
02:17:54,169 --> 02:17:51,000
people with highly developed psychic

2972
02:17:56,719 --> 02:17:54,179
abilities who have UFO contacts

2973
02:18:00,320 --> 02:17:56,729
certainly the Ted Owens case is one but

2974
02:18:03,200 --> 02:18:00,330
so is the regular case and there are

2975
02:18:07,219 --> 02:18:03,210
others there's doctor Burt hold Schwartz

2976
02:18:09,530 --> 02:18:07,229
a psychiatrist published a lengthy study

2977
02:18:14,540 --> 02:18:09,540
with one of his patients who had the

2978
02:18:17,060 --> 02:18:14,550
ability to photograph UFOs and it seems

2979
02:18:20,900 --> 02:18:17,070
as if those photographs were actually

2980
02:18:23,900 --> 02:18:20,910
the product of what we call photography

2981
02:18:24,770 --> 02:18:23,910
or psychokinetic projections from her

2982
02:18:28,839 --> 02:18:24,780
own mind

2983
02:18:32,030 --> 02:18:28,849
now dr. Schwartz I knew him slightly

2984
02:18:34,009 --> 02:18:32,040
very slightly and was in touch with him

2985
02:18:36,919 --> 02:18:34,019
I guess you know in the final years of

2986
02:18:39,919 --> 02:18:36,929
his life and everything yeah he was a

2987
02:18:47,570 --> 02:18:39,929
fine researcher and a good man the case

2988
02:18:49,580 --> 02:18:47,580
of the woman movies and photographs no

2989
02:18:52,759 --> 02:18:49,590
this is a different case this is a case

2990
02:18:57,379 --> 02:18:52,769
on the East Coast and the woman involved

2991
02:19:01,400 --> 02:18:57,389
was named Stella Lansing and she often

2992
02:19:03,770 --> 02:19:01,410
produced photographic images of UFOs in

2993
02:19:06,919 --> 02:19:03,780
a clock-like formation like a dozen

2994
02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:06,929
different UFOs all lined up as if they

2995
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were the markers on a on a clock marking

2996
02:19:16,850 --> 02:19:14,370
the hours nobody could see them but she

2997
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just point her camera and then when they

2998
02:19:24,259 --> 02:19:19,250
developed the pictures there they were

2999
02:19:26,929 --> 02:19:24,269
let me continue okay so let's talk about

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02:19:29,780 --> 02:19:26,939
things like physical evidence of UFOs

3001
02:19:31,670 --> 02:19:29,790
so photographs we do see photographs

3002
02:19:34,280 --> 02:19:31,680
from time to time

3003
02:19:39,340 --> 02:19:34,290
most however could be faked and nowadays

3004
02:19:44,270 --> 02:19:39,350
with the technology all can be faked so

3005
02:19:46,550 --> 02:19:44,280
what do we do yeah yeah I think the

3006
02:19:49,011 --> 02:19:46,560
field has a long way to go I know that

3007
02:19:52,700 --> 02:19:49,021
the physical evidence is not limited

3008
02:19:56,180 --> 02:19:52,710
just to photographs there are also a

3009
02:19:59,751 --> 02:19:56,190
wide variety of other specimens that

3010
02:20:02,980 --> 02:19:59,761
have have been including metal alloys

3011
02:20:08,230 --> 02:20:02,990
that have been found unusual metallic

3012
02:20:12,230 --> 02:20:08,240
alloys that would be hard to identify

3013
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normally here on earth but for the most

3014
02:20:16,551 --> 02:20:14,641
part you know you just have to keep

3015
02:20:19,150 --> 02:20:16,561
accumulating evidence you've got to

3016
02:20:23,511 --> 02:20:19,160
realize that in spite of the enormous

3017
02:20:26,660 --> 02:20:23,521
popular interest there are only maybe

3018
02:20:29,690 --> 02:20:26,670
several dozen really serious researchers

3019
02:20:33,650 --> 02:20:29,700
working in the field and in such a small

3020
02:20:36,890 --> 02:20:33,660
field as ufology or parapsychology is an

3021
02:20:40,251 --> 02:20:36,900
equally small field while there are many

3022
02:20:42,230 --> 02:20:40,261
amateurs you're not going to get the

3023
02:20:44,360 --> 02:20:42,240
kind of progress you'd like to see if

3024
02:20:48,140 --> 02:20:44,370
you only have a few dozen professional

3025
02:20:50,091 --> 02:20:48,150
people working in the field I suspect at

3026
02:20:52,011 --> 02:20:50,101
some point in the future we'll have

3027
02:20:55,011 --> 02:20:52,021
thousands of people like other

3028
02:20:59,331 --> 02:20:55,021
scientific areas have and and we're

3029
02:21:01,251 --> 02:20:59,341
likely to see more progress then how do

3030
02:21:02,930 --> 02:21:01,261
you persuade so-called conventional

3031
02:21:06,381 --> 02:21:02,940
science to take any of this seriously

3032
02:21:13,520 --> 02:21:06,391
because very very few scientists as you

3033
02:21:15,770 --> 02:21:13,530
know do well I think you have to just be

3034
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persistent and you have to just be

3035
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patient and do the best research you can

3036
02:21:24,140 --> 02:21:21,150
do the truth of the matter is let's say

3037
02:21:26,390 --> 02:21:24,150
with regard to parapsychology there are

3038
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professional journals that have been

3039
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publishing in this field continuously

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since the 1880s and they're just

3041
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literally hundreds if not thousands of

3042
02:21:43,300 --> 02:21:39,271
case histories that are accumulating

3043
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well right now we live in a

3044
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social environment which is not friendly

3045
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and in spite of the good data that

3046
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exists for the most part the field is

3047
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marginalized and there are you know on

3048
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the other hand the popular interest is

3049
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enormous

3050
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while academics tend to be hostile to

3051
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the field and tend to treat it with a

3052
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hoarse laugh which can hurt anybody

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trying to get a promotion in their

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career or trying to seek funding

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probably about two-thirds of people in

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the general community have had these

3057
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experiences and are very interested in

3058
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them and sooner or later you know the

3059
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pendulum will swing back the other way

3060
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and we'll be in a social environment

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which is conducive to more research

3062
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being done and in the meantime it's fair

3063
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to say that the quality of the research

3064
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gets better and better year by year

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because the researchers themselves are

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always looking to improve their

3067
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methodology and additionally they're

3068
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subject to constant attack from skeptics

3069
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on the outside not even true skeptics

3070
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but scoffers who who are looking for any

3071
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excuse to dismiss this research and

3072
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occasionally come up with good

3073
02:23:15,340 --> 02:23:10,399
criticisms so that the research gets

3074
02:23:17,710 --> 02:23:15,350
improved and refined decade by decade do

3075
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you expect to be around when we get some

3076
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final answers to any of this no not in

3077
02:23:27,550 --> 02:23:26,840
this body I hope I come back in another

3078
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body

3079
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so that I can see what goes on but it's

3080
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likely to be William James put it this

3081
02:23:40,179 --> 02:23:36,829
way he's one of my intellectual heroes

3082
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he's the founder of American psychology

3083
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but he was also a parapsychology

3084
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researcher and he said that we can't

3085
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measure progress in this field decade by

3086
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decade as we would with other fields we

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have to measure progress by the century

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and half century so I think

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could easily be a hundred or two hundred

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years before things really start taking

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off I'm hopeful that all of the videos

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access to what the best minds and the

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best scientists of today are thinking

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one more segment with dr. Jeffrey

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3214
02:29:21,130 --> 02:29:19,370
for this time out and we hope to have

3215
02:29:23,050 --> 02:29:21,140
him back in the future chris has been

3216
02:29:25,059 --> 02:29:23,060
having an awful time with his Skype

3217
02:29:27,099 --> 02:29:25,069
connection there's something over there

3218
02:29:30,070 --> 02:29:27,109
some kind of poltergeist or something

3219
02:29:33,130 --> 02:29:30,080
that's taken control Chris yeah

3220
02:29:35,559 --> 02:29:33,140
extremely frustrating gene sorry Jeffrey

3221
02:29:38,530 --> 02:29:35,569
we've been having you know reoccurring

3222
02:29:40,479 --> 02:29:38,540
problems I'm showing no one make upload

3223
02:29:42,130 --> 02:29:40,489
speed so we shouldn't really be having

3224
02:29:44,979 --> 02:29:42,140
the problems that we're having but right

3225
02:29:47,200 --> 02:29:44,989
now you're okay just continue yeah what

3226
02:29:49,179 --> 02:29:47,210
advice would you give you know the

3227
02:29:50,979 --> 02:29:49,189
up-and-coming generation who have

3228
02:29:54,099 --> 02:29:50,989
interests in this subject but because of

3229
02:29:56,679 --> 02:29:54,109
the this stigma attached to them may be

3230
02:29:58,750 --> 02:29:56,689
reluctant to bring their you know

3231
02:30:01,450 --> 02:29:58,760
hopefully considerable talents to bear

3232
02:30:04,210 --> 02:30:01,460
on these subjects what sort of advice

3233
02:30:05,500 --> 02:30:04,220
would you give them to circumvent you

3234
02:30:08,380 --> 02:30:05,510
know the incurrent stigma that's

3235
02:30:10,389 --> 02:30:08,390
attached to the whole of subjects well

3236
02:30:13,240 --> 02:30:10,399
the conventional advice that almost

3237
02:30:16,120 --> 02:30:13,250
every parapsychologists will give you is

3238
02:30:18,969 --> 02:30:16,130
first establish yourself in some

3239
02:30:22,210 --> 02:30:18,979
conventional fields like psychology or

3240
02:30:24,160 --> 02:30:22,220
psychotherapy or philosophy or or

3241
02:30:27,040 --> 02:30:24,170
medicine and then once you've gotten

3242
02:30:29,170 --> 02:30:27,050
tenure and you're no longer threatened

3243
02:30:32,679 --> 02:30:29,180
then you can do parapsychology research

3244
02:30:36,580 --> 02:30:32,689
and your income won't suffer as a result

3245
02:30:38,710 --> 02:30:36,590
I did not follow that advice myself and

3246
02:30:41,740 --> 02:30:38,720
I can look back you know by getting a

3247
02:30:44,679 --> 02:30:41,750
doctoral degree in parapsychology it

3248
02:30:47,290 --> 02:30:44,689
made it almost impossible for me to have

3249
02:30:48,580 --> 02:30:47,300
an conventional academic career but I

3250
02:30:52,090 --> 02:30:48,590
have no regrets

3251
02:30:52,840 --> 02:30:52,100
I have had an interesting life in the

3252
02:30:55,450 --> 02:30:52,850
media

3253
02:30:58,179 --> 02:30:55,460
and in the world of business maybe I've

3254
02:31:00,400 --> 02:30:58,189
been fortunate I would encourage people

3255
02:31:02,679 --> 02:31:00,410
to follow the advice that Joseph

3256
02:31:05,469 --> 02:31:02,689
Campbell gave me when I interviewed him

3257
02:31:08,080 --> 02:31:05,479
and I asked him what advice would he

3258
02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:08,090
give to young people and he said follow

3259
02:31:15,370 --> 02:31:13,130
your bliss yeah do that and I think if

3260
02:31:18,849 --> 02:31:15,380
you do that and if you're a well

3261
02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:18,859
grounded healthy individual things will

3262
02:31:22,600 --> 02:31:19,610
work out

3263
02:31:24,671 --> 02:31:22,610
way or another now you mentioned being a

3264
02:31:26,560 --> 02:31:24,681
conventional academic was difficult

3265
02:31:28,660 --> 02:31:26,570
because of your degree they look at your

3266
02:31:31,020 --> 02:31:28,670
degree inside you're a doctor of what

3267
02:31:33,041 --> 02:31:31,030
not only was I a doctor of

3268
02:31:35,801 --> 02:31:33,051
parapsychology that made it hard enough

3269
02:31:39,581 --> 02:31:35,811
but because I had done the UFO research

3270
02:31:42,060 --> 02:31:39,591
with Ted Owens the PK man I was pretty

3271
02:31:44,261 --> 02:31:42,070
much stigmatized and even by

3272
02:31:46,511 --> 02:31:44,271
parapsychologists as someone whose work

3273
02:31:48,671 --> 02:31:46,521
was beyond the fold there was no

3274
02:31:52,450 --> 02:31:48,681
possibility that I would have been hired

3275
02:31:54,551 --> 02:31:52,460
by any of the few remaining institutions

3276
02:31:58,930 --> 02:31:54,561
that had money to hire people in

3277
02:32:02,350 --> 02:31:58,940
parapsychology but I made my way I can

3278
02:32:05,440 --> 02:32:02,360
say this that I'm glad that I was true

3279
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:05,450
to myself in the process I think I

3280
02:32:12,190 --> 02:32:09,290
benefited from it and instead of being

3281
02:32:15,041 --> 02:32:12,200
hired by other people for their academic

3282
02:32:17,440 --> 02:32:15,051
programs I helped to create new ones I

3283
02:32:20,440 --> 02:32:17,450
helped found the University of

3284
02:32:23,890 --> 02:32:20,450
philosophical research in Los Angeles

3285
02:32:26,530 --> 02:32:23,900
for example and taught parapsychology

3286
02:32:30,430 --> 02:32:26,540
there for many years and I helped found

3287
02:32:32,890 --> 02:32:30,440
a program for ministers and the now

3288
02:32:35,680 --> 02:32:32,900
known as the Centers for Spiritual

3289
02:32:38,711 --> 02:32:35,690
Living formerly the Church of religious

3290
02:32:40,480 --> 02:32:38,721
science where we set up an institute

3291
02:32:43,390 --> 02:32:40,490
called the Holmes Institute where I

3292
02:32:45,761 --> 02:32:43,400
teach parapsychology and it's required

3293
02:32:49,060 --> 02:32:45,771
now for all ministers and training with

3294
02:32:50,950 --> 02:32:49,070
that organisation so there's usually you

3295
02:32:53,410 --> 02:32:50,960
know when one door closes another one

3296
02:32:55,950 --> 02:32:53,420
opens somewhere well that's certainly

3297
02:32:58,570 --> 02:32:55,960
certainly very good and very hopeful

3298
02:33:01,331 --> 02:32:58,580
hopeful indeed what about young people

3299
02:33:03,910 --> 02:33:01,341
who want to get involved in exploring

3300
02:33:06,910 --> 02:33:03,920
the strange and unknown well I would

3301
02:33:09,841 --> 02:33:06,920
suggest that they pay special attention

3302
02:33:13,240 --> 02:33:09,851
to the academic literature to the

3303
02:33:15,640 --> 02:33:13,250
serious researchers in the field and and

3304
02:33:19,120 --> 02:33:15,650
frankly I think one of the very best of

3305
02:33:21,940 --> 02:33:19,130
all resources for that is the video

3306
02:33:24,100 --> 02:33:21,950
channel that I've been working on for

3307
02:33:27,480 --> 02:33:24,110
the last 15 months and that I've

3308
02:33:30,490 --> 02:33:27,490
mentioned earlier the new thinking aloud

3309
02:33:31,710 --> 02:33:30,500
dot-com and new thinking aloud org

3310
02:33:34,679 --> 02:33:31,720
there's a wealth

3311
02:33:38,340 --> 02:33:34,689
of resources there hundreds of books

3312
02:33:40,679 --> 02:33:38,350
that are available and over a hundred

3313
02:33:43,080 --> 02:33:40,689
and fifty interviews with leading

3314
02:33:45,179 --> 02:33:43,090
researchers and thought leaders in the

3315
02:33:48,179 --> 02:33:45,189
field it's an excellent resource for

3316
02:33:49,740 --> 02:33:48,189
people and it's free every bit of it of

3317
02:33:51,090 --> 02:33:49,750
course staying people interested also

3318
02:33:54,240 --> 02:33:51,100
when they're young they got so many

3319
02:33:56,729 --> 02:33:54,250
other pursuits and it's not for

3320
02:34:00,000 --> 02:33:56,739
everybody not everybody is going to have

3321
02:34:03,210 --> 02:34:00,010
a career in parapsychology I think maybe

3322
02:34:05,580 --> 02:34:03,220
one or two percent of the population has

3323
02:34:08,849 --> 02:34:05,590
a real serious interest in this field

3324
02:34:12,090 --> 02:34:08,859
but in a country of 300 million people

3325
02:34:15,690 --> 02:34:12,100
we're talking about several million No

3326
02:34:18,599 --> 02:34:15,700
well dr. Barry Taff Lloyd arbok both of

3327
02:34:21,240 --> 02:34:18,609
whom been who we've had on the show they

3328
02:34:25,769 --> 02:34:21,250
have managed to avoid the pitfalls and

3329
02:34:28,620 --> 02:34:25,779
pratfalls and gone on to at least make a

3330
02:34:32,070 --> 02:34:28,630
bit of a mark I think Lloyd especially

3331
02:34:35,450 --> 02:34:32,080
so you know there is hope out there and

3332
02:34:39,599 --> 02:34:35,460
and again I think that we are seeing a

3333
02:34:42,540 --> 02:34:39,609
you know I think the generation of kind

3334
02:34:44,760 --> 02:34:42,550
of boring old farts that you know have

3335
02:34:50,010 --> 02:34:44,770
no time for this subject matter are you

3336
02:34:51,660 --> 02:34:50,020
know retiring and passing on and I and I

3337
02:34:53,400 --> 02:34:51,670
think we're gonna see a renaissance of

3338
02:34:54,510 --> 02:34:53,410
interest in these subjects and I think

3339
02:34:58,229 --> 02:34:54,520
they will become more and more

3340
02:35:00,690 --> 02:34:58,239
mainstream as time marches on I think

3341
02:35:04,170 --> 02:35:00,700
it's fair to say that Society has gone

3342
02:35:06,269 --> 02:35:04,180
through enormous changes were about to

3343
02:35:09,300 --> 02:35:06,279
elect I believe the first female

3344
02:35:12,210 --> 02:35:09,310
president of the United States and now

3345
02:35:15,870 --> 02:35:12,220
gay marriage which was unthinkable only

3346
02:35:19,490 --> 02:35:15,880
a decade or two ago is now the law of

3347
02:35:23,420 --> 02:35:19,500
the land and these changes affect

3348
02:35:28,200 --> 02:35:23,430
everything and including the openness to

3349
02:35:30,179 --> 02:35:28,210
the inner realms of the psyche so we're

3350
02:35:37,410 --> 02:35:30,189
getting better and better at this and

3351
02:35:38,940 --> 02:35:37,420
there's hope what do you think going

3352
02:35:41,639 --> 02:35:38,950
this is kind of a final question because

3353
02:35:44,160 --> 02:35:41,649
we have to wrap up so all the people

3354
02:35:45,360 --> 02:35:44,170
involved in physical UFOs disclosure do

3355
02:35:49,980 --> 02:35:45,370
you think the government knows

3356
02:35:53,040 --> 02:35:49,990
the stuff you look into I I did a series

3357
02:35:56,790 --> 02:35:53,050
of interviews with John Alexander who is

3358
02:35:59,690 --> 02:35:56,800
a UFO researcher and the author of a

3359
02:36:04,910 --> 02:35:59,700
book called UFOs myths and realities

3360
02:36:08,580 --> 02:36:04,920
former colonel in us in the military who

3361
02:36:10,530 --> 02:36:08,590
while he was in the military at a time

3362
02:36:13,350 --> 02:36:10,540
when he had top-secret clearance

3363
02:36:16,860 --> 02:36:13,360
made an effort to determine what the

3364
02:36:18,990 --> 02:36:16,870
government really did know and he's

3365
02:36:21,810 --> 02:36:19,000
quite sincere in his belief that

3366
02:36:25,200 --> 02:36:21,820
actually the government knows very very

3367
02:36:29,450 --> 02:36:25,210
little that the government is not

3368
02:36:32,580 --> 02:36:29,460
capable of really doing much serious

3369
02:36:36,900 --> 02:36:32,590
investigation in the UFO and paranormal

3370
02:36:38,670 --> 02:36:36,910
areas and I'm inclined to think that

3371
02:36:41,130 --> 02:36:38,680
he's on to something now it's always

3372
02:36:44,520 --> 02:36:41,140
possible that there are programs around

3373
02:36:47,700 --> 02:36:44,530
secret black programs of which he was

3374
02:36:50,520 --> 02:36:47,710
never made aware but I'm inclined to

3375
02:36:52,410 --> 02:36:50,530
think that that's the sort of thing for

3376
02:36:55,410 --> 02:36:52,420
conspiracy theorists that there's very

3377
02:36:56,850 --> 02:36:55,420
little evidence to support that we've

3378
02:36:59,100 --> 02:36:56,860
had him on the show a couple of times

3379
02:37:01,410 --> 02:36:59,110
and after being kind of at odds with him

3380
02:37:03,810 --> 02:37:01,420
for many years I've actually gotten to

3381
02:37:06,180 --> 02:37:03,820
know him and consider him a bit of a you

3382
02:37:08,220 --> 02:37:06,190
know a casual friend we spent a little

3383
02:37:10,620 --> 02:37:08,230
time together I do think he's sincere

3384
02:37:12,301 --> 02:37:10,630
but you know again people that think

3385
02:37:14,341 --> 02:37:12,311
that the government camps can't keep

3386
02:37:16,710 --> 02:37:14,351
secrets no I think we're wrong the

3387
02:37:19,080 --> 02:37:16,720
government is able to keep secrets but I

3388
02:37:21,091 --> 02:37:19,090
think when it comes to UFO information I

3389
02:37:22,500 --> 02:37:21,101
think a lot of that is probably in the

3390
02:37:25,140 --> 02:37:22,510
private sector and the aerospace

3391
02:37:28,830 --> 02:37:25,150
companies and and out of the reach of

3392
02:37:31,650 --> 02:37:28,840
foi a and the purview of the US

3393
02:37:33,270 --> 02:37:31,660
government jeffrey Mishlove tell our

3394
02:37:35,630 --> 02:37:33,280
listeners if they want more information

3395
02:37:45,801 --> 02:37:35,640
about what you do tell us where to go

3396
02:37:49,470 --> 02:37:45,811
one more time go to www.engvid.com org

3397
02:37:52,051 --> 02:37:49,480
to visit the video channel that I've

3398
02:37:54,660 --> 02:37:52,061
been producing interviews on for the

3399
02:37:57,421 --> 02:37:54,670
last 15 months you can find us on

3400
02:37:59,100 --> 02:37:57,431
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3401
02:38:02,611 --> 02:37:59,110
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02:38:08,850 --> 02:38:06,341
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3404
02:38:11,761 --> 02:38:08,860
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3405
02:38:14,730 --> 02:38:11,771
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3408
02:38:20,701 --> 02:38:18,400
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3410
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3413
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3419
02:38:49,201 --> 02:38:46,900
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3420
02:39:04,110 --> 02:38:49,211
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3421
02:39:10,261 --> 02:39:07,350
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3422
02:39:13,250 --> 02:39:10,271
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3423
02:39:17,190 --> 02:39:13,260
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